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Enough about Windows 7: what about 8 or 9? 128-bit slated!

Can't bear to read another Windows 7 story? How about Windows 8? Or 9? In IT Blogwatch, bloggers ponder rumors of 128-bit support; of cabbages and kings.

By Richi Jennings. October 8, 2009.
(MSFT)

Your humble blogwatcher selected these bloggy morsels for your enjoyment. Not to mention super social networking...
 
 
Emil Protalinski has been reading the tea leaves:

Believe it or not, Windows 7's successor(s) have been in the planning and early development stages for a while now. ... We've been watching closely to see if anything really interesting turned up. Exactly two weeks ago, it did. A LinkedIn profile ... has shone a sliver of light on the possibility of 128-bit support coming to Windows 8. ... Windows 8 News found Morgan's profile first.
...
[Let's] look at what we've heard about Windows 8 so far. ... "DFSR ... cluster support and support for one way replication ... dramatic performance improvements" ... "TLZ file compression engine for Hibernate/Resume" ... "PatchGuard follow-on" ... Remember that all this talk is very early in the game. We won't see Windows 8 released until 2011 at the earliest, and 2012 is more likely..more

 
Marius Oiaga works the Google-fu:

Forget 64-bit, Microsoft has already been exploring 128-bit support scenarios for future releases of Windows. ... Windows 8 is not expected ahead of 2011, with Windows 9 following it in 2014, in the most optimistic scenario possible.
...
The [LinkedIn] profile in question has been taken down, but thanks to Google cache, users can still access it and read information about the 128-bit work done at Microsoft for Windows 8 and Windows 9 right from the source.more


Cameron Lockwood is surprised:

According to that developer, Robert Morgan, Windows 8 and 9 will both have some degree of 128-bit architecture compatibility, with the latter OS definitely supporting IA-128. ... Microsoft was expected to make Windows 8 64-bit only. That would follow on from Windows Server 2008 R2, which is 64-bit. Windows 8 may not be fully 128-bit ready – after all, Morgan only says they’re working on full binary compatibility..more


But The Oracle brings us back to Earth with a bump:

When I look at the systems I work on, it is both amazing and a hard slap of reality. The average system I work on has only 512MB of memory, and many systems ... have only 256MB. Of course these are systems that were purchased 3 – 4 years ago, and you simply would not believe how difficult it is to make the operating managers of these places see what might happen to productivity if those machines were bumped to at least 1GB.
...
Moving to 64-bit computing seems to be almost the last thing on their minds. As a matter of fact, I can’t say I have ever worked on a machine that has a 64-bit OS installed (other than enthusiast friends’ machines). ... So why, when they have yet to release 64-bit versions of their own programs (Office, Windows Live essentials, etc.) would Microsoft get all fired up about 128-bit computing?more

 
And latrosicarius pours cold water on the
idea:

Ahhh, a 128-bit OS. For those annoying times when you need more than 18.45 exabytes of RAM.

Seriously, what is the benefit of this? They need to worry about moving on to a consistent and ubiquitous 64-bit architecture first. I was disappointed when Windows 7 came out with a 32-bit flavor.more


Mike Johnson replies:

There are other benefits to 128bit architectures than RAM addressing. This could lead to higher throughput in GPU+CPU situations, potentially faster encryption/decryption systems, etc. Things can potentially move faster if you can move more data in one shot.more

 
Meanwhile, Ryan Whitwam is loving the LinkedIn leaks
:

We most likely won’t even see Windows 8 until at least 2011, but more likely 2012. ... Until then, keep an eye on LinkedIn. Apparently people love divulging details in their profiles.more

 
So what's your take?
Get involved: leave a comment.

 
 
And finally...

 

Richi Jennings, your humble blogwatcher   Richi Jennings is an independent analyst/consultant, specializing in blogging, email, and security. A cross-functional IT geek since 1985, he is also an analyst at Ferris Research. You can follow him as @richi on Twitter, or richij on FriendFeed, pretend to be richij's friend on Facebook, or just use good old email: itblogwatch@richij.com.

 
 
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MS street gangs

Again, I'll wait for windows 9, SP 4

AKA MS-13

http://www.knowgangs.com/gang_resources/profiles/ms13/

Flashes secret gang sign meaning "I'll infect you with spyware and bot-net your @$$"

LMAO at the Link

ROTFLMAO!

I followed your link, I wasn't expecting that!

Thanks Trollicus, I needed the laugh!

Vaporware gives you free publicity

So why, when they have yet to release 64-bit versions of their own programs (Office, Windows Live essentials, etc.) would Microsoft get all fired up about 128-bit computing?

To get mindshare.... to have people exclaim that MS is an innovator (!!!), to talk about them in a positive way since you cant negate something that doenst exist. Im surprised they didnt think of unicorns instead.

No one is talking about the various reports on VIsta 8 which are pretty 'meh' but about a hypothetical project.

128 bit computing? Are you

128 bit computing? Are you guys serious? I can't think of anything worse, 64bit still isn't fully supported yet. Why move on to 128 bit? Perhaps servers, production machines, and research machines, basically the fringe of computing might be need the ram space that 128 could provide. Gamers, home users, and consumer goods that use cpus in them simply won't have a need for 128bit architecture that soon.

I would become more excited if SSD became cheaper, LCD response times dramatically decreased, or if ISP's decided to stop sitting on dark fiber and increased bandwidth to the end users for a fair price.

128bit already? give me a break!

with all the advantages to 128bit, remember there are always disadvantages, for example:

- huge overhead, the whole reason they didnt start with 128 bit in the first place is because there were not acceptable methods to compensate for the massive overhead at the time, throughput greatly drops when the minimum datagram size is vastly increased

- all additional efficiencies gained with using 16bit, 32bit, and 64bit computing are lost unless highly efficient ways to EMULATE their functionality are implemented, undoubtedly still at a massive performance hit no matter how efficient, and just introduce VMs to the problem if you really want things to choke

- higher powered future computing will just require more complex encryption algorithms and graphics processing, by the time 128 bit CPU computing is standard, GPUs and future successors to AES, etc, will probably be using 2048 bit

- most of the software out there still hasn't been compiled for 64bit yet. I used to work at a place that ran what is now a 25 year old COBOL based press management system, and they've tried several times to upgrade and failed to find an acceptable solution. For a more common example, the setup program for StarCraft (1) is still 16 bit! You can't run it on Vista 64 even unless you install a VM and run it inside that! Most won't care when StarCraft 2 comes out, but I'm just showing that it's not only highly custom enterprise software that has yet to be updated to already soon to be outdated technologies.

Sigh...and you crazy people wonder why your newer and newer computers STILL run slowly, decades later...

128-bit ***FPU and GPRs***, not memory addressability

We're hardly at the limits of 64-bit storage, let alone 64-bit RAM. Given the reference to AMD, he's almost certainly talking about their 128-bit FPU and GPRs in AMD's "Bulldozer" CPU:

http://www.brightsideofnews.com/news/2009/4/15/amds-next-gen-bulldozer-is-a-128-bit-crunching-monster.aspx

Ah

So Microsoft is already looking forward to the next big wave of updates to fill their coffers.

Windows X

And in maybe a decade or II, MS will have something good enough to be called Windows X or maybe even Windows OS X.

Lol@Windows X / Mac OS X

Lol@Windows X / Mac OS X mention.

Parts of Windows have beaten Mac OS X for decades, such as their highly superior mouse acceleration curve, based on tons of research and usability studies, unlike that horribly twitchy monstrosity the Apple folks have had to endure. I have used all sorts of Linux, Windows, and Mac systems over the past 15 years and I've not once preferred any system Apple has built to any of the Windows and Linux systems I've used.

If I wanted a crappy hacked together bastardization of a Unix kernel with a bunch of crap running ontop of it like OS X uses, I'd install an old version of NetBSD, running Windows 3.1 on VMware and use that.

Ummm, aren't we short on

Ummm, aren't we short on 128-bit processors for a 128-bit OS to run on? Reminds me of the pre-486 days when everyone was sure it would be a 64-bit processor (8088 was a 8/16/20 bit processor, 286 was 16/24, and 386 was full 32-bit)...