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Who really has the most Linux users?

First, Red Hat's claimed the lion's share of the Linux market, then Novell said Red Hat's not that much in the lead, so where does the truth lie? It's a good question. At the recent Red Hat's Analyst Day, Red Hat Executive VP Paul Cormier, said that Red Hat now represents 75 percent of the paid Linux market, easily beating out other the other Linux distributions such as Novell's SUSE and Canonical's Ubuntu.

Impressive, but, Novell's PR manager Ian Bruce has a different take. In a Novell blog, Bruce wrote, "First, to borrow an analogy from the old car rental business, we should acknowledge that in the Linux market Novell is definitely 'Avis' to Red Hat's 'Hertz:' we're in second place and we try harder."

Bruce went on to point out that in IDC's latest report on the Linux market that SUSE Linux has about 28% compared to Red Hat's 62% of the world's business Linux market. He also added that while Red Hat's mainframe Linux marketshare has indeed grown considerably, but that, according to Gartner, "Novell has by far the largest market share, which they estimate at 70 percent." I'm inclined to agree to the numbers Novell cites. In any case, both agree that Red Hat is number one today. And, that's quite true... as far it goes. You see both companies and the analyst firms are focusing on the Linux business market. IDC, for example, in its Quarterly Server Reports, counts "server revenue [that] includes components that are typically sold today as a server bundle, including frame or cabinet and all cables, processors, memory, communication boards, and OS."

Again, that's fine for as far as it goes, but only some businesses buy Linux as part of a server bundle. A lot, yes, but many companies make Linux servers out of older or generic commodity servers.

In my own office, for example, I currently run four Linux servers and none of them came with Linux pre-installed. Or, on a far grander scale, look at Google. Google runs on Linux. But, Google uses its own home-brew Linux on its own servers. Neither mine, nor Google's, servers would ever show up on Red Hat or Novell's sales numbers or in the IDC surveys.

What Google developers and I have in common is that we both know Linux. We, and many other businesses that know Linux, use our knowledge to run the operating system without any need to pay a company for support.Again, our use of Linux won't show up in any Linux vendor's bottom-line.

Because Linux lets you do this it doesn't lend itself to the kind of surveys and analysis that software businesses have historically used to measure success. So, while we can safely say that Red Hat is the number one Linux vendor and that Novell is number two, we really can't say which, if either, actually has the most overall Linux servers or users.

We can, however, safely say that Google, with its massive, world-wide datacenters, has the most Linux servers and users in the world. So, does that mean Google's in-house Linux is really the most popular Linux? You could argue that. Indeed, looked at that way, Linux becomes the most popular operating system in the world. But, what Google has done, with its search engine and all its applications, is to make the operating system invisible.

If we're talking about, as most people do, Linux as a visible operating system, then you could also argue, based on the popularity ranking in DistroWatch, that Ubuntu is the number one Linux in the world. The Linux desktop seems dominated by Ubuntu and its close relatives like Mint.

So, which Linux is the most popular? Really, it all depends on how you look at the question. Red Hat is the most successful business that supports its own Linux distribution, with Novell as number two and trying hard. Thanks to Google, there are hundreds-of-millions of people who use Linux ever day and never know it. And, as for individual users working and playing on a Linux desktop, I strongly suspect Ubuntu can claim the most fans.

What People Are Saying

Is Nichols your husband's

Is Nichols your husband's name?

Survey

Can't somebody just do a survey again similar to this 2007 one, but make sure that paid distros are included and distinguish between desk-top use and server use?

http://www.desktoplinux.com/news/NS8454912761.html

Survey

I like that survey. I should, I designed it. But, it had the problem of most user-driven surveys in that it really measured how enthuastic people were at voting for their favorite distro than anything else. That said, it still pulled up useful info, and I should find some venue and do it again.

Steven

Repeat

You should do that survey again. It is now over two years old which is an eternity in IT years.

How about the home Linux desktop?

This is what I'd be very interested to find out. I'd like to think Ubuntu is up there.

Values for linux usage

I would try something simple if I was trying to count. If they all have internet based software repositories, particularly for kernel fixes, can't we do something like..

select distinct(machineid) where was downloaded in the last 3 months?

Sure that doesn't get you everyone, but it would give you a rough idea.

Standard answers already flying

OK, so far there are about 36 posts. The standard answers already flying about are:

Most popular - You are an idiot.

Then in random order:
You are a moron
It only matters to Microsoft
Linux doesn't have any software
To which the answer is, You are an irredeemable moron.
You are a troll.
You sir, are an idiot
You are being trolled
b*11sh1t, you freetards fell for it.
YOU wrote that! F$F Shill!
Can we just pull numbers out of butt instead of Distrowatch?

Oddly, haven't seen anything about any MS Shills yet. Probably show up today.

Sadly, this lack of professionalism is normal for this board. A few years ago Steven actually had something to say. I come back in vain hopes that his pro-Linux views yield something of the former quality, yet even when something of value comes out, which is more infrequent with every post, the discussion immediately falls to this level.

I guess he's groomed this group for volume of posts rather than quality. Sad really.

Sadly the Angels on a Pinhead post seems to have a point.

This really only matters to Microsoft

I suspect that this number really only matters to Microsoft as a way to gauge the "competition." Since the numbers are almost impossible to find due to multiple installations from a single disc, network installs, etc. the 1% market penetration number always being bandied about is absurdly low and they know it.

Hopefully the hardware vendors know it, also and start working with the larger Linux vendors.

It also matters to Microsoft because they have overloaded

It also matters to Microsoft because they have overloaded the web pages of some options available to you on the web with their ads as seeming Sponsors of these Linux Distros so that the Web Pages of OS's which are Good, are almost unaccessible to a person with a Linux Browser when they wish to download Documents and Sofware from links on those Main web pages .

it matters to some people who like security

The Only Other Option is Apple's Mac and its software with Constant Updates available for Security updates, that is the only other viable option with security for use on the Internet.

Other then that Solaris 10 and Centos, are available and are good only because there is not a large enough presence of technicians and programers to hack you on the internet in those software systems.

I use them only for piece of mind, and Security.

I have experimented with Linux and with Solaris, and find that the best Linux Distribution is really Centos, yes, the problem configuration of software is a problem but if you want a quick and dirty Secure Install, then Centos in Linux and Solaris in Sun Open Software is the way to go.

In Solaris, either Open Solaris or Solaris 10 is a good choice, expecially Solaris 10, however you should be a technician if you want to take advantage of the software Re: need to configure some things with Solaris.

The Reason I use them is that there is Greater Security if only because there are so few Technicians who have the skills to Hack your Solaris or Centos Install and Bomb you on the INTERNET.

WINDOWS IS So Easy to Exploit (Literally a Swiss Cheese OS), there is almost no protection from the Net.
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