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Apple voids Applecare warranty for smokers!

Apple has been accused of voiding two customers' Applecare warranty because their Macs were used by smokers. Apple says it's worried about the health and safety of its technicians, but in IT Blogwatch, bloggers roll up that argument and set fire to it.

By Richi Jennings. November 23, 2009.
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Cade Metz coughs and splutters:
A Mac user claims that Apple voided her warranty and refused to repair her machine because it was "contaminated" with cigarette smoke. ... an Apple service center agreed to repair a machine before telling the owner repairs were not possible because the system contained some sort of smoke residue.
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The [Applecare] warranty does not include mention of either secondhand smoke or biohazards. It does say that the plan does not cover "damage to the covered equipment caused by...extreme environment."more


Laura Northrup picks up the story:

Unless you've just arrived in 2009 on a time machine, you know that smoking isn't good for you. Did you know, that smoking isn't good for your computer, either? ... Two readers in different parts of the country claim that their Applecare warranties were voided due to secondhand smoke.
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[We] tried repeatedly to obtain some kind of answer about these two cases from Apple's media relations department, and we have received nothing on the record after months of waiting. Mostly, we're curious what the threshold is for smoke damage to a computer, and why this is not mentioned in the Applecare contract.more


But this Anonymous Coward plays Surgeon General:

I used to work as a computer technician. ... Computers that had either failed or seized up due to nicotine/tar build up were impossible to clean, and nearly impossible to repair. The nasty build-up got literally everywhere, clogging heatsinks, coating voltage regulators, caps, expansion slots, and other devices that depend on air convection.
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If smoking doesn't constitute improper operation, it should. For all the people bitching out there, smoking has been demonstrated to cause premature failure to humans, particularly second-hand smoke which contains a Noah's Ark of nasty bacteria and pathogens. Why is it such a surprise that it also kills sensitive electronic equipment?more


David Coursey incites Apple:

I am as much against smoking as anyone. I also do not want workers needlessly exposed to hazardous substances. Still, for Apple to deny warranty claims on Macs exposed to cigarette smoke seems way over the line. ... My hazardous materials training has taught me that however dangerous smoke residue may be, there is a way to deal with it.
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Imagine one of those chambers that lab workers use, inserting their hands through holes in the box into permanently attached gloves. Only the gloves and a set of tools from inside the box touch the computer. ... Alternately, a self-contained breathing apparatus, such as firefighters wear, would prevent inhalation of the cigarette residue.more


This Anonymous Coward agrees:

They have an obligation to the customer under the terms of the warranty. They also have an obligation to their employees. They need to honor both, not pick and choose.
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OSHA does not prohibit working with dangerous materials (manufacturing and maintaining computers does involve doing so), it just requires proper safety procedures be observed when doing so. The possibility of working with computers that have been exposed to cigarette smoke was not unknown or plausibly considered to be remote at the time when these warranties were issued.more


L'ano Itar calls bull:

[I'm] a reformed heavy-smoker who also smoked in a room full of computers. ... I generally take apart my computers once a year or so to blow out the dust and remove the cat fur that inevitably clogs the intakes. I've never had an issue with tar on heatsinks, nor premature failure of components.
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Non-smokers whining about the smell of old tobacco is one thing, but when we resort to lies to "prove" a point, there is no argument.more


And Gordon JC Pearce examines the OSHA argument, finding it wanting:

But there isn't any "second-hand smoke" actually in the computer. There's the residue that you get from smoke, but that's not actually smoke. It's not particularly harmful unless you breath in a big cloud of it, but that's true of any kind of dust. If you're poking about inside dusty equipment, you should be wearing appropriate PPE anyway.more


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No official comment for a reason

The problem Apple has is that they do not specifically mention tobacco smoke in either the standard warranty or Applecare.

They do have language vague enough that it could be used to justify warranty refusal if I:

1. live in a home heated with wood
2. live in Texas (and their repair techs suffer from "cedar fever")
3. live in a home with plaster instead of wallboard (dustier)

I'm skeptical Apple's justification would survive even small claims court in my tobacco-friendly state.

Also keep in mind that extended warranties like Applecare are really insurance products usually heavily regulated by your state (for those in the U.S.)

Ultimately your local state insurance commission gets to decide if Apple's interpretation on tobacco smoke is valid (at least if Apple wants to keep selling their extremely lucrative Applecare there)

Notice in all the news stories here and elsewhere Apple itself makes NO official comment, as Apple understands they'll need to evaluate (and litigate) on a case-by-case basis.

Apple voids Applecare warranty for smokers!

After smoking around my Windows 98 machine for twenty years, I am pleased to report that it is working beautifully as is my 8-track recorder. Anyone knows that electronic components generate a magnetic field which repels smoke. Sure, it will get on a monior screen, but not inside the machine. If Apple is going to void warrantees for such trivial nonsesnse, I won't be buying any Apple products in the future. It is not the economy that killing businesses, it's the "customer is worth nothing" attitude that's doing it.

I won't be buying any Apple products in the future

You mean the electromagnetic field in Apple products is somehow different from your Windows machine?

Magnetic fields

Yeah, that'll be the same magnetic fields that can boost your gas mileage. Oh and if you wrap this gizmo around your HDMI cables, your TV picture is noticeably brighter, sharper, and more colorful.

an excellently poor move

This move is excellent, because it lets Apple to defect from its obligations and instead of honoring the warranty, charge extra for a new computer.
But it's also poor, because it's only done half-way. The correct apporach would be if they informed the customer which parts are contaminated or irrepairably damaged, and letting him choose whether to pay extra for the repair or just the diagnostics fee and buy a new device. The way they actually do is outright hostile towards the customers, and it will backfire.

What's next? If you own

What's next? If you own cats or dogs you can have your warranty voided too?

I can't count the number of systems I've repaired that required replacement arts due to pet hair clogging the intakes and fans.

Apple is notorious for refusing to support their buggy products. They've been known to deny warranty work on iPhones, citing that they phone was submerged when the moisture sensors in the device haven't even been tripped.

Being a computer tech of 10+

Being a computer tech of 10+ years I have to say this isnt so much about caring if a customer smokes or not, its a matter of the damage it does to your system. I have opened up computers before to find, literally, 1/8th to 1/4th inch of this disgusting tobacco tar/dust sludge coating the interiors of computers. Its not any different than if you stuffed your computer full of styrofoam peanuts or poured kool-aid into the computer. Its customer damage. No one should be expected to work on a system like that, atleast not without a heft surcharge for cleaning before any actual work is done. This story is incomplete as im sure if they showed you pictures of the inside of the computer there would be no question why they denied the warranty claim.

Until you have seen the

Until you have seen the extent of the build up you should not comment.
Over the years i have seen bondi imacs turned a murky brown !
many generations of white ibooks /imacs stained and discoloured to the point of not wanting to touch them.
And dont get me started on the smell.

I think if you can visually see the effect of the smoke build up then it should not be Apples responsibility to fix /replace your Mac because of what you have done to it.

Bull, I myself am a heavy

Bull, I myself am a heavy smoker and have been for over 10 years, I have been working on and with computers for over 15, I repair my own computers all the time and have NEVER and I mean NEVER seen a single trace of this 'paste'.
Apple just want to get out of repairing their faulty products.