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John Brandon

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Apple event: iTunes 8 is no Web Genius

It's turns out that Apple is adding a pile of new features to iTunes 8, which will be available today - according to Steve Jobs at the Let's Rock event. Strangely, it pulls ideas from the Web and puts them into a client app. Here's how it works.

The Genius sidebar can find your most-listened-to songs out of iTunes and find other songs that match the style of your favorite music. So, let's say you are listening to Deerhoof. You can quickly find out that Lykke Li is somewhat similar to Deerhoof based on several key factors: light folk accoutrements, female vocals, sort of weird. Or, if you really like Deerhunter for some reason, you can find a bunch of other really crazy indie bands, like Menomena. It's almost exactly like Pandora, right? Minus the Web interface?

Oddly, Apple is getting the Web all backwards. It turns out that iTunes 8 can send your musical tastes to "the cloud" (they didn't explain what that means, I assume it is some Apple server somewhere) and then analyze the tastes of people who like similar artists and give you more recommendations. But there's no actual Web interface, so that makes it difficult to control. Say I want to tweak my Genius recommendations by removing a few people who like John Mayer (you know who you are). I can't do this on the Web, and I'm not even sure I can do it in iTunes. The Genius is not so smart, apparently.

As far as I can tell, and I'll test this later today, there's apparently no way to control how Apple mixes and matches personal musical tastes at all. Your track names, play counts, rating, and playlists are magically uploaded to the cloud which then returns music recommendations.

I thought social networking was not anonymous? I thought the whole idea of connecting with people about musical tastes was so you can "friend" them and find out what else they are into?

I'll have a report later today on whether the Genius in the Cloud actually works, after iTunes 8 is released.

 

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What People Are Saying

Enough with the social networking already

The moment my iPod becomes a "social networking device" is the moment I will sell it on eBay.

I have yet to understand why anybody wants everyone in their life to know everything they do. Everything doesn't have to be about social networking. I canceled my Plaxo account because it went from a very cool online address book that I could sync with my Mac to some weird social networking monstrosity. I specifically don't have a Facebook, a MySpace, a Twitter, or a "whatever is hip this week" account because I don't want one. Don't force it down my throat.

If Apple allows the Genius thing to be a local feature that only looks at my library (and maybe suggests songs from iTunes Music Store) I will use it. Until then, you can keep it.

Maybe you hadn't noticed

> Oddly, Apple is getting the Web all backwards.

Maybe you haven't noticed, but Apple have ever cared what they get backwards. They have never had any respect for how things should be done. They don't play by your rules. The have no respect for your sensibilities. That's probably why Apple is a runaway success..

The Genius feature isn't a social networking thing. No one ever said it was. It also isn't a web 2 thing and no one ever claimed it was.

Zune really is more social

I guess Zune3 really is more social than iPod. The former has Channels and Personal Picks and The Zune Social online music community.

http://www.microsoft.com/Presspass/press/2008/sep08/09-08ZuneFallUpdatePR.mspx

Ministore Redux?

How is the Genius sidebar different from the Ministore, which was introduced with iTunes 6.0?

The Cloud

"The cloud" is the internet. Taken from the graphical representation on most diagram software.