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Ballmer says skip Vista

Boy, I wish I'd been at Gartner's Symposium ITxpo in Orlando, Fla. this year. That way I could heard with my own ears, Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer tell an audience of high-level business people that if they want to wait for Windows 7 to switch from XP, instead of going to Vista, "They certainly can."

Mind you, this was at the same show, where earlier, Gartner analyst Yvonne Genovese had tore into Ballmer like a hurricane saying she had installed Vista for her daughter -- and two days later went right back to using XP . "It's safe, it works, all the hardware is fine, and everything is great," Genovese said

She went on to say that "What we're seeing and what we're hearing from users is a very similar thing. It's difficult to implement." Amen sister. Vista is junk. And, yes, I speak from experience. I finally got Vista to work properly with all my hardware and software on one PC after 16-months of trying. But, hey, at least I got everything to work. A lot of people haven't been so lucky.

Microsoft has been stepping back from Vista for some time now. In early October, Microsoft quietly announced that it was extending sales of XP Professional SP3. In my opinion, XP SP3 is a much better operating system than Vista will ever be. Before that, Microsoft started fast-tracking Windows 7 and deemphasizing Vista. I've also noticed that, after giving up on those terrible Bill Gates and Seinfeld ads, Microsoft's equally awful "I'm a PC" ads seem to be disappearing off the airwaves.

What Microsoft has not done though is tell us exactly what we're getting in Windows 7. Is it just warmed over Vista? After all, at the Gartner conference, Ballmer said, ""Windows Vista is good; Windows 7 is Windows Vista with cleanup in user interface [and] improvements in performance." Good luck with that idea guys! Or is it as Mike Nash, vice president of Windows product management, said at the same show "It is in every way a major effort in design, engineering and innovation."

I'm betting on 7 being Vista SP2 with a lot of marketing hype.

Be that as it may, Microsoft's Vista failure is continuing to give both the Linux desktop and the Mac a window to make gains on the desktop. Apple, with its continued run of great new Macs, albeit not as cheap as many people would like to see, is doing well at this.

What Apple needs to do now is to start giving those fab machines some strong business and technical support. Lots of individual business users love their Macs. Apple needs to make it easier for IT departments to love Macs as well.

As for the Linux desktop, Novell, with SLED (SUSE Linux Enterprise Desktop) 10, is the only company that's making it easy for business users to jump to the Linux desktop. That's not enough.

The Linux desktop needs three technical improvements. These are: better laptop power management; more of the applications that users want; and, like it or lump it, better Windows interoperability/virtualization.

But, come on; Linux already has better technology in Windows in important areas like security and stability. What it really needs is for the Linux vendors to deliver more and better business support for desktop Linux. Red Hat isn't interested; they're making their billions from servers. But others like Canonical and Ubuntu; Xandros; and Mandriva could give Novell competition in the SMB and enterprise desktop space. They just need to get their Linuxes installed natively into more PCs and put more muscle into their technical and business sales support staff.

Ballmer is continuing to give the Mac and Linux an excellent shot to grab the desktop. Now, it's up to Apple and the Linux distributors to seize their opportunity.

What People Are Saying

Is everyone who complains

Is everyone who complains about Vista here a newbie? Have any of these newbies used computers before XP SP3? I don't understand all the fuss over taking "months" to get Vista operational. Seriously, if it takes ANYBODY that long they should not be in the computer business. I have an EA and have been running Vista since it went gold. Because I planned properly, the only problems I had was getting used to the new look and feel, and learning the functional differences between XP and Vista. I did a clean install of the OS and installed my applications from scratch on a "Vista Capable" laptop with no problems. Now I'm running Vista Ultimate x86 and x64 of on several PCs and enjoy the rich user experience and the media sharing capabilities that it offers.

In the enterprise, I am running Vista SP1 on my workstation and on a pilot group of over a dozen PCs and everybody seems happy with it. I have no complaints. I'm also running Server 2008 (Server version of Vista) in several roles including domain controllers. Macintosh cannot come close to wiping Windows' nose in the enterprise. When Mancintosh switched from OS 9 to OS X, I remember the cries of despair from several users that did not want to let go of the familiarity of OS 9. Not to mention, OS X was a DISASTER of an OS when it was first released due to bugs, crashing and lack of interoperability with Windows AND the major switch of focus from AppleTalk to TCP/IP. There were no native applications at all and everything had to run in "Classic Mode". Even worse, several Macs that my previous employer had purchased within a year of OS X's release, were oboleted due to Apple's decision to drop OS X support for all Rainbow Apple logo computers.

If you have used PCs for more than 3 years, you would remember all of the bumps in the road that you encounter when doing a major upgrade of any OS on any platform, especially one with such a large install base such as Windows. Vista is the future, learn to use it!

Vista is unfairly criticized

I have been using Vista for past 2 years and I have not faced any problem with it. I think Media and Linux lovers has criticized Vista for no reason. If you are using latest hardware Vista will work perfectly for you.

Newer Hardware %#@&!

Case in point I have a nice HP OfficeJet multi-function printer. It works fine under XP and Linux. but isn't supported under Vista. Why should I have to buy new hardware?

Also, I have Laptop it has the factory image on it w/ some bare essentials: Open Office, Avast, Skype, Ad-Aware, Firefox, Spy-bot S&D, Putty and WinSCP.... that's it. It now Blue Screens, Awesome! not!!!!!!!! I do have it setup as a dual boot machine and it runs fine under Linux.

Before you say anything about my experience level, I'll tell you my back ground. BS, Illinois State University Major: Occupational Safety, Minor: Applied Computer Science 1990, didn't like my Major after about a year in the field and switched to computers. Have now worked in the industry for 18 plus years and 12 plus as Senior Level Programmer Analyst, Network Engineer, Systems Integrator and other various other titles and tasks.

All the chest pounding aside I'm not your mere user and I still have problems with Vista, but I also have problems with XP, Linux, OSX and BSD. Just not as many:~> Vista my not catch many breaks but it's suppose to be better, right? It's not. It's worse.

This just shows the people

This just shows the people of the world wide web that all your years of education has gone to waste. What is it, your HP printer does not work in Vista?

How odd as my HP printer which I've bought in 1999 still works on Vista and not only that it works in Vista 64bit.

Maybe it's you who does not know how to properly adapt to a new OS, and it's certainly not your printer.

If you have any technical knowledge, the first place to look at would be HP driver and download page to see for Vista drivers, unfortunately you're to dumb to do so.

XP NEEDS TO DIE!

Wow a minor in computers

Wow a minor in computers from 20 years ago. Back then Ballmer was selling Reversi on Windows 1.0. Why did you bother upgrading since then? It was only $99 and integrated Lotus 1-2-3 with Miami Vice! Maybe you were in Nebraska and missed it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGvHNNOLnCk

basic image

Looks like with all your eduction you'd be able to create a basic image that doesn't crash. I'm part of a team that's launched Windows Vista in a corp. environment and it works fine. We even have users saying it runs better than their XP image did. I love windows XP and use it everyday on older hardware, but when it comes to newer machines and developers you need the memory capacity that comes assoc. with x64 OSes not to mention quad cores and hyper threading of the Intel i7's. 4GB of memory is longer enough. Vista x64 is great, there is far more support for it than with XP x64. My personal opinion is Vista should have been released only in x64 edition. I've also been testing Windows 7, and it seems to be very similar to Windows Vista, MS is probably pulling a Windows Mojave on us all and Windows 7 is really Vista sp2. If your scared stay with Windows XP, if you feel you are able, move to Vista, when a company as large as the one I work for can use Vista, any company can, they just need a knowledgeable IT staff willing to work with new technologies. I mean why use XP when you can use Win98se.

Switched to Ubuntu Linux, not looking back.

I switched to Ubuntu Linux and there's nothing I miss in the Windows desktop. Aside from the wealth of free useful applications, I enjoy rock hard stability and performance.

I recently wrote an article on my blog that discusses my attempt to buy a laptop on sale at Best Buy, and return the Windows OS (per my rights on the 1st page of the EULA that accompanies the OS) and I detail my story of frustration and hardship caused by these 2 greedy corporations: http://news.wizworks.net Microsoft only enjoys it's position in the marketplace, not based on the merits of it's software, but moreso because it is force-fed to the market. There are NO major retail chains offering you the ability to buy a computer without buying the OS, or buying a free alternative OS. Read my blog about the issue - we as consumers should be demanding these alternatives. It's time to force Microsoft off it's proprietary throne and teach it a real lesson that it's products should be forced to compete on their merits in a free market like anybody else.

and what about *BSD?

and what about *BSD?

You are really taking things out of context.

1)Blamer is not telling people to skip vista as if he was acknowledging that the product is junk. Even though you sure attempt to make it sound that way.

2) If it took you that long to get vista right, then you are not as adept as you make yourself out to be.

3) Do you have any real experience with large scale roll outs of operating platforms, or are you just a hobbyist.

Computerworld used to be a place for experts to get information. With you now on board, I am beginning to seriously question the content produced by this organization.

I thank Vista for my switch to Linux!

I was an early adopter of Vista and even with a brand new Quad-core with 4G of RAM and a high-end graphics card, I was stunned that it was slower than XP, slower than Win98, and heck, slower than Win3.1.1! I was also stunned by Vista's insanely restrictive EULA. I decided six months later to make the move to Linux and haven't looked back. With KDE 4.x, ODF, and Firefox, life is better than ever and computing is fun for a change.