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Brooklyn camera stores: The scam stops here

If you ever bought a camera online for what seemed like a great price only to discover you've been ripped off, you'll be cheered by the following news.

The State of Texas has brought charges against two of the more infamous electronics retailers on the Net: Broadway Photo and Starlight Camera & Video. The Texas Attorney General is accusing the sites of bait-and-switch operations and other deceptive, overtly aggressive sales tactics.

All I can say is, what took them so long?

In the fall of 2002 I was part of a team of investigative reporters who bought cameras from seven of these shops - and investigated dozens more -- for PC World magazine. That was my first encounter with one of the longest running scams in the electronics biz, which started in Brooklyn storefronts and has now spread across the Net.

A handful of families in New York and New Jersey have been running these stores for decades, and they all operate in the same way. The store advertises expensive cameras at prices hundreds of dollars below retail. When you call to order the camera, the salesperson patiently explains you'll have to pay extra for batteries, memory cards, power cords, manuals, etc. By the time you're done adding "extras," you've paid more than if you'd bought it from a legitimate retailer who sold you the complete package.

If you say "No thanks, I'll just take the camera," you'll find it's suddenly and indefinitely out of stock. If you cancel your order or complain, you get an earful of abuse and even physical threats. Think you can avoid the scam by ordering it online? Fahgeddaboutit. The salesperson always calls back to "confirm" your order before placing it, so he can put the squeeze on you.

And they really don't like having their dirty laundry aired in public. In 2005, photographer Don Wiss got a death threat from an employee at one of these operations after he posted photos of these "stores" -- many of which appear to be abandoned buildings - on his Web site. They also occasionally threaten customers. You can hear the threats left on one blogger's voice mail here [MP3 audio - NSFW].

Worse, a single "store" may have dozens of Web sites with different names and prices, but the same owners, inventory, and modus operandi. When one store gets a bad reputation - which usually leads to it being booted from shopping search engines like PriceGrabber or Shopper.com - the scammers simply shut it down and open a new one.

Now these stores have adopted a new tactic. They've built their own "shopping search engines" and buy sponsored ads on Google that puts them at the top of camera searches.

Take EveryPrice.com, for example. For the first 15 seconds or so it looks like a legitimate (if cheesy) price search engine. But scratch the surface and you'll get slime under your fingernails.

Search for a Nikon D90 camera on EveryPrice you will find more than a dozen Brooklyn stores listed, each one with three or more stars. Look at the six "top selling" cameras on its home page, and the same vendor is listed as offering the "Best Value" for each: Broadway Photo. Color me surprised.

Unlike other shopping search engines, the ratings on EveryPrice don't come from customers. Instead, the site publishes its own ratings. Here's how it explains its rating system, complete with all the original typos and mangled English.

There are 10 separate Criterias each worth half a star, these rating are based on store policies, features and information. Each criteria will be marked with a check or an X. An X indictaes that the store does not fulfill that criteria. A check Indicates that they Do.

EveryPrice claims to let you compare prices on computers, jewelry, kitchen appliances, and other goods, but in my random search of the site I never found more than one store listed in any other category - making the whole price comparison concept rather moot. Lots of camera stores though.

Clearly the site is just a front for the Brooklyn camera sellers, Broadway Photo in particular. Maybe they should rename it "Every-Price-But-The-Actual-One.com".

This scoop - and the news about the Texas AG - comes via David Michael, author of the Thoughts of Dave blog, which focuses on unscrupulous Web sites (and lists several other bogus shopping and camera sites). Michael says he's been haranguing Google to nix the ads for fake price comparison sites for a long time, but with no success.

BIG CAVEAT: It's important to remember that not every camera dealer in New York or New Jersey is a crook. B&H Photo and Adorama both have fine reputations, and I'm sure there are others. But I'd bet they're outnumbered 10 to 1 (or worse) by the bait-and-switchers.

So buyer beware in spades. Next time you're tempted by a fantastic price on a camera, Google that dealer. Odds are you'll find dirt lurking just beneath the surface.

Besides being pathologically snarky, Dan Tynan is an award-winning investigative journalist. You'll find most of his recent writing here at Culture Crash or at Tynan on Tech.

What People Are Saying

Non-web stores also dishonest

I just wanted to mention that these criminals also operate just as badly in the physical store locations as well. I visited NYC a couple of years ago and was sold damaged and overpriced goods by a store called "Broadway Computer Video". They verbally abused me when I asked for a refund or to have the goods replaced. I was completely shocked. Keep away from that place.

Amazon.com

I bought my last digital from Amazon.com; fair price, prompt delivery, no hassles.

I knowingly bought a "just discontinued" model, and was rewarded with a really great price.

Google is the answer

I think Google is the answer. But is not in their best interest to do anything since they will lose a lot of revenue. One thing for someone to try if they have the interest is to contact Google's Investor Relations and ask to be put on the agenda for their next annual meeting with the purpose of getting the firm to consider better due diligence on their advertisers. I suspect this will get some immediate action, without even having to attend the annual meeting.

Broadway Photo

The one point of my experience w/ BP that was not mentioned was that the upsell was of items that were included in manufacturer's package that was advertized by BP.

And fat chance of getting help from Ccard co. All they seem to be able to understand is a return. BP wont authorize a return and sent back my unopened parcel when I did return the camera.

My company has to jump

My company has to jump through hoops to please our credit card provider.
How do these places get a provider to handle them ? They have to get gads of charge backs.

By the way, I had my dad dealings with one of these places a few years ago. I sent a complaint to the NY Attorney General and did not receive a reply. I guess I need to provide more campaign financing.

Bought a new digi cam at

Bought a new digi cam at Adorama in december. Great service, yeah they tried upsell w/ accessories, but were not forceful, and gave me the deal, free shipping even. Camera came, had a defect in the sensor, Adorama paid shipping to return mine, and paid shipping to send replacement. Gotta love it - Adorama.com and BHPhotoVideo.com have a reputation for a reason:

They earned it

These other scammers should be in prison, where they belong. Instead, they are probably paying off the cops, the AG, and everyone else. How else can you explain how they have gotten away with this crap for SO DAN LONG???

86th Street Photo & Video

The same thing has happened to me. I ordered 2 Panasonic Lumix DMC-FZ28S, 10.1 Megapixel, 18x Optical/4x Digital Zoom, Digital Camera (Silver) from this company. Their website said the item was in stock and could be shipped within 3 days. After I ordered the product I received an e-mail stating there was a problem with the order and to call their service deptment. When I did there first question was, why didn't I also purchase any of the must needed accessories to go with the camera. They wanted me to purchase an extra battery for the camera that was listed very expensively on their website. They said the battery life was very poor on this camera and a 2nd battery would be needed. When I told them I didn't want anything else just the camera they suddenly sent me an e-mail stating they were out of stock of the camera with an undetermined date of replenishment. I ordered this in November and am still waiting for it. Whenever I call them about the status they keep extending the expected date by weeks. First it would be 2 - 4 weeks then it changed to 6 - 8 weeks for it to arrive in stock.
I would tell everyone to beware of this website
http://www.86photovideo.com. They were very pushy on selling me accessories and when I said no they became very rude with me then they hung up the phone on me. Maybe they should also be investigated as the other companies were.

WOW SAME WITH ME. There

WOW SAME WITH ME. There insane. I seriously like want to kill them. I called them and they started acting like retarts, im not even kidding. Is there anyway to shut them down??????

as a consumer. I, too, was

as a consumer. I, too, was drawn in by the deeply discounted prices advertised online. Looking over the website of the retailer something was clearly just a bit "off"; the poor English, combined with the hap-hazard website presentation, made me think seriously whether I could trust the site with my business. In the end, I went against my gut instinct and submitted an order.

Almost immediately, I received an email saying that there was a problem with my order and I was required to call a number listed in the email. The email, as it turned out, was in as poor a quality as the website. Before I called, I did what I should have done in the first place: research the retailer. Googling the retailer produced more hits than Wade Boggs, and none of them had anything positive to say. I knew then that my best chances here were to cancel the order.

I proceeded to call the number in the email and eventually got through to a live person. The person, who spoke with a very thick foreign accent, informed me that the package I ordered was no longer available (big surprise). He immediately moved for the switch, offering what he told me was a "much better" product (at a much higher price). He spoke with considerable pace and was applying an equal amount of pressure to get me into the sale; it didn't work. Perhaps it was my days in NY dealing with street vendors that these types of tactics don't phase me, but I stood firmly to my demands to cancel the order. After the "salesman" finally exhausted his attempts, he relented and agreed to cancel the sale.

This was a big lesson learned for me: always trust your gut instinct and if an offer sounds too good to be true, chances are it is. Plus, as the article said, do your homework before you buy. If you do happen to get lured in to one of these retailers, make sure you stand your ground and don't be intimidated by pressure sales: that is clearly where they have been most successful.

Hope this helps. Good article.

first hand

for years i used to set up the online shops for these folks. after about 2 years i went to the FBI computer crimes, but they didnt want to hear from me. i no longer do that work, but i know full well that it goes on...