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Joyce Carpenter

Philosophy of Technology

Digg: banning the best of 'em

What if you created a community and everyone came? What if you told them to create networks and they did? What if your community was so successful that it started to do as it pleased? Would you step in and ban those who were most successful at using the tools you put into their hands? That seems to be what Digg did.

I'm still trying to decide exactly what I think. Is it a good idea or a bad idea for Digg to ban some of the most followed members of the community? Seems like a case of shooting yourself in both feet, but maybe I'm missing something.

Maybe kicking out the most powerful diggers will let us little people rise to the top. I like diversity. I like the new recommendation system. I like finding interesting articles in the subject areas I follow.

But I hate petty tyrants and the plethora of recent bannings seems to be nothing more than petty tyranny. Sure those who were banned violated the sacred Terms ofService. But the terms of service seem to have been reverse engineered to accomplish the goal of banning those the petty tyrants wanted banned.

The current TOS says:

you agree not to use the Services: ... with the intention of artificially inflating or altering the 'digg count', blog count, comments, or any other Digg service, including by way of creating separate user accounts for the purpose of artificially altering Digg's services; giving or receiving money or other remuneration in exchange for votes; or participating in any other organized effort that in any way artificially alters the results of Digg's services;

What, pray tell, does artificial mean in this context? Usually artifice is contrasted with natural. So it's okay if I use the service with the intention of "naturally" inflating the count? If I call to people within earshot, is that natural? If I send a letter via snail mail, is that natural? If I send an email, is that artificial? According to the Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary one definition of artificial is: "caused or produced by a human and especially social or political agency". Doesn't that mean that, by definiton, all use of social means, eg. social networking, eg. Digg, is artificial?

Is Digg within its rights to remove the accounts of users? Absolutely. Again, today, the TOS says, "Digg may remove any ... Digg accounts at any time for any reason ... or for no reason at all." If you can do what you want either with or without a reason, then I'd say you're pretty to free to do what you want. Not a lot of constraints there.

I understand Digg's desire to have human eyeballs on their ads. So I understand why they want to ban those who use Greasemonkey scripts. Really I do. Just take a look at the ads above, below and on the side of this post. Please. Click them early and often. Please. The more you click, the more likely I am to be here next year. I understand. I really do.

But how does it help Digg get eyeballs on its ads when all the powerful Diggers are creating new networks at Digg's competitors? That's the part of this that still has me confused. What am I missing?

I like my readers enough that I want them to stay. I try not to dissaude them from coming to my site. Now that doesn't mean that I would never ban someone. I have no trouble banning trolls. But banning those who want to use your site so much that they create efficiencies for themselves? That I'm not so sure about.

I was temporarily banned several years ago from Digg. My coworkers and I tended to Digg Computerworld content more than non-Computerworld content (go figure). Since we all expose the same IP adress, we were banned because, of course, you can't have a network at a social media site. That would be artificial.

What People Are Saying

It's pretty obvious..

It is VERY obvious what they mean by not inflating the stats.. You sound like a child that has been caught and is grasping desperately to get people to support their flawed spamming ideals..

Digg is banning the spammers

The hard work digg is putting into their algorithms and banning process is all about stopping spam on digg.

What is spam, you ask? My definition in the context of this post is: Stories that were dugg not because the reader liked them.

The method of networking used on digg is: Digg my stories and I will digg yours. when performed on a lrage scale this can cause ANY story to pop to the digg front page, no matter how irrelevant, advertising, spamming it is.

If I have 1000 friends, I submit great stories and my friends digg them and they are made popular, that's great. If I have 1000 friends that are rewarded IN ANY WAY for digging my stories so they digg them without even reading, that is spam.

True, it's a hard decision and a tricky line between power users and spammers. Digg might get some users wrong, but I do stand behind them on the entire attitude.

Digg Bannings

I use Digg frequently as a reader and commenter. I have neither the time nor the inclination to look for and submit lots of stories to Digg. I rely on others to submit stories I might enjoy. If that means a few are up more often than others, that's fine with me. If they are submitting good stuff, let them come. This does seem like it will hurt Digg if they use the ban hammer too often.

Digg Bannings...

I was banned - then came back and played by the rules. And got banned again. Told that if once banned - never come back! Basically it is a life sentence... even criminals get better treatment...

You might like to share this with your readers...

http://ya-ttitude.com/blog/2008/10/12/i-walk-through-the-valley-of-the-shadow-of-digg/

Benny

Great Article

Great Article

That is quite strange decision on one hand, but good decision in long run for DIGG itself. If big diggers and big names are going to stay there then normal users like me will never go to Digg.

The little guys....

I was banned. Ok. So be it. Taking out users like myself opens up the doors for people that are newer. Ok, I get that, but what happens when you've put in the time that I did and you get a bunch of popular submissions, tons of diggs, etc....? You deserve to get banned too, so that the newer people can have a chance? Seems like a vicious cycle that will ultimately turn people off from digg. Doesn't make since to me from any standpoint.

Tyranny is wrong no matter

Tyranny is wrong no matter who is doing it. Our own government practices this and the sheep in this country are so blind to it they don't care. America of the 21st century punishes those who are successful and rewards those are are lazy, irresponsible, don't want to work and expect the government to give them everything.

Why work when Obama will give the country away. Why work when the government will give you a job, place to live, health care and anything else you need.

If loyal contributors of this site are being treated unfairly or pushed out it might be because there are liberals running it. Don't know for sure. But it is wrong to punish talent and success.

Liberalism is a disease in this country. But diseases are easily remedied.

We have defeated liberals before in this country and we will do it again when called upon.

Keep the faith!