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Michael R. Farnum

Hitting the Security Nerve

Why move to Firefox 3.0?

wrote yesterday on my personal blog about not being willing to download Firefox 3 until there had been a few bug fixes for the inevitable vulnerabilities that would show up.  And while this is not an "I told you so" post, the prediction did come true (I fully acknowledge that the prediction was not that awe-inspiring and others made the same prediction). 

No, I am not writing to brag.  I am writing to ask a question: why is everyone still downloading Firefox?  I know this turns into a religious war like so many other things out there, so I expect some people to get pissy.  But really, what is your reasoning?  Is it tabs?  IE has them now, and I actually like the way IE7 tabs work better than FF2 (haven't seen FF3 yet, obviously). 

Is it security?  Well, that really doesn't hold much water anymore.  IE is even ahead of the game in some respects (recognized EV certs with the green bar before FF3 came out).

Is it simply to stick a finger in the eye of MSFT?  That might be a little immature, but I have done immature things a few times in my life, and I still catch myself doing them.  So no problem there.

Is it performance?  Maybe so.  I have not seen anything vastly better in the performance category between IE7 and FF2.  If anything, I see IE as faster.  Since I haven't used FF3, I can't speak to it.  Maybe I will finally download it and have it blow away IE.  If so, great!

Is it the customization of FF?  Ahhh.  There we are.  I think a lot of the preference comes down to it being uber-customizable with some really cool plugins and themes.  It appeals to the geek, and that is why so many people think it is cool (I love plugins -- NoScript is awesome).

But overall, the issue I have is that FF is no longer this secure alternative that people were looking for.  Mozilla soon found that they had to cater to all the things IE catered to, and now they are coming out with the same vulnerabilities that IE has.  It does give some additional security benefits if you use plugins, but those are not native FF features. 

Don't get me wrong.  I use FF.  I also use IE, and I also use Safari for Windows (yes, I updated to 3.1.2) because I like features in each.  I just like to examine my motives when I am doing something.  For me personally, it is because it is something new.  That is why I will download it when I feel it is a little more secure. 

What People Are Saying

Firefox 3

In my experience Firefox 2 and 3 both crash far more often than IE7. I've seen FF3 crash more often that FF2, but they may be about even. FF recovers relatively gracefully from a crash, but it's still annoying.

Not a "war" exactly, more like a "thing"

...a religious thing. I like Firefox 2 and 3. And while I use Windows at least 75% of the time (I live in the real world), I am ALWAYS suspicious of Microsoft's motives. Whatever Microsoft's agenda may be, I'm certain of one thing: neither my best interests; nor the best interests of anyone outside of Microsoft; factor in to it.

and... a Bug... in Firefox? Oh My God!!, I've never had anything like that with Microsoft products!

IE7 is big and bloated and slow - a perfect companion to Vista.

No Firefox 3... but thumbs up on Safari?

OK. Sure, Firefox 3 had a big vulnerability on its first day of release... just like every other major browser. The question really is... how long will it take to fix? It's hard to imagine someone writing a whole rant about Firefox having a vulnerability and not being more secure--and then endorsing the Windows version of Safari, which Apple did a horrendously slow job of patching (but finally did with 3.12). Maybe that's the fear with Firefox... because you already made the mistake of adopting Safari too soon?

In any case, it seems pretty ridiculous to include an endorsement for Safari in the same article ranting about FF3.

..and for the record, I like IE7 tabs better too--and they didn't change in Firefox 3. Still, if you had bothered to try Firefox 3, you'd find its handling of certificates to be dramatically better than even IE7 (especially invalid ones). Spyware protection is better. It has a lot of nice benefits.

I think IE7 is more usable, but if you're going to knock FF3... please don't even bother to mention Safari favorably.

Here's a few reasons

1. It's faster, much faster than FF2, mostly in handling JavaScript. And yes, it is MUCH faster than IE7. Before you brag about IE7 being faster than FF2, you should look at FF3, to see how FF2 and IE7 are slow.

2. It's much more efficient than FF2, and IE7, less memory is used, ad more efficiently.

3. The world my friend, moves on. It's called progress. Since FF3 is free and it's a proven enhancement over the current version, you might want to give it a try. Besides, would you hold on IE8 when it comes out? Would you refuse an automatic update from MS? About Safari?

I honestly hate when people criticize products they haven't even tried. It's not FF vs IE flamewar that bothers me, it's really the lack of spirit in trying something new before writing an otherwise pretty pointless article.

NickF, did you even read my post???

OK, my reply ended up being more of a blog post than just a reply, so I posted it on my personal blog here.

Michael R. Farnum

Better to be despised for too anxious apprehensions than ruined by too confident a security.
Edmund Burke (1729 - 1797)

Poorly written teaser

I think the problem stems from the fact that the link is published in a Computerworld email with this verbage:

Why move to Firefox 3.0?

Michael R. Farnum: Does it still make sense to use Firefox?

To me, that sounds like there is no future for Firefox, which is completely different from your post which talks about waiting for a bit.

Good point

I can see your point. Sorry about that.

Michael R. Farnum

Better to be despised for too anxious apprehensions than ruined by too confident a security.
Edmund Burke (1729 - 1797)

firefox 3.0 (final) 6-29-2008

this firefox is way slooooow !.
it uses 201,000. k's of memory.
100.% CPU.

i have windows xp home sp3.
i use no extensions or ad-ons.
firefox is a fresh install.

i find by messing just a bit that when its not the default browser it works better.

leeks tooooo much memory,,slows and hangs and freezes.

its works , but it now sucks,,,,i used it before,,,older versions work better.