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Frankly Speaking: Not Dead Yet

[ Frankly Speaking for April 7, 2008 ]

It wasn't supposed to be this way: Last week, IBM gave the AS/400 a new lease on life. At the Common 2008 user group meeting in Nashville, IBM announced that its venerable minicomputer hardware is being merged with its Unix product line, once called the RS/6000. Result: The system formerly known as the AS/400 just got cheaper, more modern — and harder to kill.

Don't you just hate it when things like that happen?

After all, we don't want these legacy systems to survive. We want them gone. We want to move their users to something that's easier for central IT to handle: mainframes if necessary, but preferably x86 server farms.

That way, we can manage everything in a consistent way, with maximum efficiency and without any distractions from legacy hardware or software.

Business effectiveness? Uh, sure, if you have to bring that up. But mainly, we want standardization. We want convergence. We want it over the carcasses of those dead minicomputers.

And IBM isn't helping.

True, our business units that use minicomputers like them. They like the pretty-close-to-lights-out operation. They like the fact that programmers know exactly how the built-in database will work.

They might not like the business-critical custom applications they've ported from one IBM minicomputer model to the next for 30 years, from the System/34 to the System/36 and 38 to the AS/400 to the iSeries to the System i. But they like the fact that they don't have to spend their IT budgets to rewrite those apps or even figure out decades of accumulated business-logic sediment.

And they didn't much like paying a premium for what, in recent years, was the same hardware IBM used for its Unix workstations and servers. But they paid it. They were pragmatic: It was the most cost-effective way to go.

Now IBM has eliminated that price premium and also made the new common hardware more attractive, with smaller footprints, blade form factors, fancy water cooling, sound dampers and reduced power consumption. It actually looks like the minicomputer is not dead — and it may even be getting better. And that's just wrong.

Why can't Big Blue be like Hewlett-Packard, which has driven its HP 3000 customers crazy by trying for years to kill off their minicomputers? HP stopped selling the machine in 2003 and has attempted to drive a stake through its heart ever since. Sure, those users have managed to pressure HP into extending some level of support until the end of 2010. But they're living under a death sentence, and they know it.

Like IBM, those users don't get it. We in IT have a blueprint, a road map, a grand plan. It's based on best practices, industry standards and everything else that will make the IT department look slick, smart and visionary — especially in the eyes of IT industry deep-thinkers.

Keeping legacy applications alive just because they're crucial to the business? Keeping legacy minicomputers going just because that's the only way to run those legacy apps? What kind of IT best practice is that?

Pragmatism be damned. We know the way things are supposed to be. Just because it's useful, cost-effective and mission-critical doesn't mean it's right.

The minicomputer is supposed to be dead. There's no place for it in the grand plan. All the really smart IT deep-thinkers say so.

Isn't it time for IT to take a stand against it — even if that kills us?

What People Are Saying

Heaven forbid...

... that well written apps written in the 1980's will work unmodified today (regardless of what hardware they were written on originally).

... that your app has a database that doesn't require a DBA's constant attention.

... that your programmers can focus on writing business logic and not have to futz with the minutiae of database idiosyncrasies, memory allocations, etc.

... that, on the rare occasions that you do have a problem with your system, the level 1 support tech you call can help you 20 times better than most level three support reps at most other companies.

... that your system can run Java, PHP, MySQL, RPG, COBOL, C, and C++ applications.

Hayes - needs better sources

Well, Hayes, your comments are about as buggy as any release of Windows.

As for "All the really smart IT deep-thinkers say so" - HA!

Your 'deep-thinkers' are giving idiots a good name...I'm not sure what it is that they're really deep in, but I can make a few really good guesses...!

HP was stupid to get rid of MPE and the 3000. Next to OS/400 one of the best systems around.

Keep in mind, SERVICES is what's driving alot of the provider decisions nowadays...how much $ervice$ revenue be generated by providing systems that are not as easy to manage, centrally, remotely or from the moon, as the system i...

Face it, the iSeries is dying because IBM wants it(IMHO) to and because it isn't generating the services revenue that lesser systems require by thier very design.

You got all that money to spend supidly? COOL! Send me a check as well!

Read between the lines

Read the article again and the realization that Hayes supports what the AS/400, iSeries, System i, Power represents is what he supports.

This goes for VMS too

IBM is smart. Even HP is being smart. The underlying platform, whether truly just hardware or a software layer which emulates some long-gone hardware on something standard (like the CHARON-VAX on Windows) is irrelevant. IBM learned that a decade ago. The important thing is that the environments they support, whether OS400 or VMS, have withstood the test of time and have run our businesses for over 20 years, often with little or no effort. Windows, while more fully featured for human use, can barely survive 3 years without constant overhaul. Ever notice how the ranks of IT support have grown exponentially in the last decade? It is not all just because more people use computers. More money would be saved by using these older but proven environments even more than they are now.

Long Live the i !!!

The tone of this piece confuses me; how much of it is tongue-in-cheek and how much of it is serious?

I am an IT version of the user you mention; I love the 34/38/400/i/i5/whatever. It is as close to bullet-proof a computer as has ever been created. IBM has done itself and the computing community a huge dis-service by refusing to market this system, for reasons that are clear to no one, except perhaps the suits in Armonk.

In over 20 years of using these systems, I can count on one hand the number of unplanned outages, and can count on two hands the number of hours of those outages. Currently, we administer our 100+ user system with 1 person giving it at most 10 hours a week.

I do wish the RPG/green-screen programming would get with the GUI/web bandwagon, because the iSeries also is an extremely capable web server and web app back end. But that is a discussion for another time!

I enjoy the columns; many thanks!

I guess we'll have to keep 'em!

since Nicholas Carr is predicting that the IT dept will become extinct tomorrow, we'll just have to live with these 'lights out' boxes.

Unless some asteroid type impact hits all at once and knocks off both these dinosaur boxes (new and improved with warm blood in the form of liquid cooling, something that your 'standard PC' doesn't even have!) and the IT dept at once then they'll have to fight to survive.

Why there's even a 'visual COBOL' now! With 'objects'! (something that programmers love to do, pick up 'objects' and LOB them!)

I guess the 'spikey haired PCs' will have to realized that the 'cranky old minis' (who are tired of the young 'uns parroting m$ and windoze) have actual biz value with more mature, reliable software, and now at a lower cost! Wait there's more, if you act now... :)