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Microsoft: save $44 billion, just make Hotmail free

I took a look at MSN – oops, Windows Live -- yesterday, something I try to do every year or so (which puts me ahead of most people, apparently). What I saw reminded me why spending $44 billion on Yahoo! isn't going to make Microsoft competitive with Google.

I love Google's Gmail. It's free, and it lets me do all kinds of fancy things. I especially like the ability to collect mail from other POP3 accounts in Gmail, where I can see threaded discussions, search and categorize messages, and get to it from anywhere I can use a Web browser. (And Gmail is just one of the Google Web services I use regularly. I like the calendar, and the Picasa photo gallery, and the RSS reader particularly.)

I used to have a Hotmail account, back before Microsoft bought it a decade ago. It was a dazzling innovation: free, permanent e-mail. Then Microsoft bought it and I had a choice: I could have free, or I could have permanent. I quit using it.

Yesterday I signed up for Hotmail again. Going in, I was offered a chance to sign up for Windows Live instead. All I had to do was ". . . Click 'Install' to get this free software . . . ."

Whoa. Install software? No thank you very much. Why should I have to do that to use things that should be Web-based services, like a calendar and photo gallery? (And install a toolbar? Read my lips: Nononononono. In my opinion toolbars aren't merely visual junk, they're spyware. All of them. I don't care where they come from.)

I elected to just sign up for a free Hotmail account. What I discovered was that Gmail does for free things I could get from Hotmail only if I took a paid subscription – like collecting mail from POP3 accounts.

There are other annoyances. For instance, when I want my email and sign into Gmail I see my inbox. When I sign into Hotmail I see a landing page filled with the latest news from celebrity rehab and ads for things I have tried most of my adult life to avoid.

The point here is that Google provides the maximum service to its users with the minimum of intrusive monetization of the relationship. Microsoft provides the minimum of service with the maximum of intrusive monetization. Which one would any rational person choose?

Closely related point: Yahoo! is in the same mode as Microsoft --- min service, max monetization. I get no free POP3 support and annoying landing pages from Yahoo! Mail, too. (At least I can set my new Hotmail account to skip the landing page sometimes – something I haven't figured out how to do in Yahoo! Mail.)

So, question: Which does Microsoft want more – does it just want to make the kind of big bucks online that Google is making, or does it really want to compete with Google?

The software giant's behavior to date, from screwing up Hotmail to buying up Yahoo!, indicates that it doesn't understand that it cannot do the former (make the kind of big money Google makes on the Internet) without doing the latter (providing services of real value to users). It can't charge for admission when the free show down the block is better. It can't win from the top down, by buying existing customers. It can only win from the bottom up, by innovating new services that win new customers. And it could start by making Hotmail – all of Hotmail – competitive with Google by making it free.

What People Are Saying

i admit i don't use hotmail

i admit i don't use hotmail and instead use gmail. also gmail has some nice features. but come on msn live messenger is really good. i mean gtalk is just abt ok but msn messenger is much better.

halleluiah! I'm not sure though MS will figure it out

I was using hotmail until 2 years ago, now I'm using gmail. I had some contacts in hotmail, but the spam filters there don't even bother filtering spam, so I was getting 200 spam emails to each wanted message.

I hope MS buys Yahoo though. They will ruin it too, but it will also speed-up the collapse of a dinosaur that needs to go extinct. I'll miss Yahoo's Flickr (I'm not paying for it since there is Picasa), but some sacrifice of that magnitude is just fine when it comes to killing the beast.

Resistance is not futile, I won't be assimilated.

hotmail

Alot of users may find hotmail unfitting to their needs. Thats why there is a vast selection of services and providers. As for the POP3 problem, use outlook express. I have no problems using my free account thru outlook to get my mail. I have had my account since hotmail has come to light of the public, and will remain as long as they do.

Free Hotmail/Live and POP3

I have hotmail account for 10 years now. And only reason that I still have it , is that my contacts use Live Messenger. Now I also been really pissed of by not being able to use POP3 if I am not a paying customer to MSN. Well there is an easy way to go around that with an free application named PreePOPs http://www.freepops.org/en/ I belive that it works even with Yahoo but I'm not sure. And the reason is simple, I use Yahoo.se and there is no limitation on POP3. Personally I prefer G-mail. Who is the better one? Who cares! Use the one you are satisfied with.

Cheers!

GMail has its downside

As a moderator for a small forum we have real issue with the totally free accounts from GMail and Yahoo: forum spammers.

I am almost at the point of banning both Yahoo and GMail totally due to the number of fake accounts created by spammers. Hotmail accounts are very rarely banned on my forums.

Microsoft, go away!

Let's just shut down Microsoft! Life would be so much better. They are just wasting people's time, money, and nerves. Let's stop them by not buying their stuff!!!

Another problem with Gmail,

Another problem with Gmail, is that it blocks ALL exe files as attachments. While I understand that its a security measure, I also find it slightly annoying. If it's gunna do anything it should virus scan it for you. If I want to send an exe file to my sister, I have to change the extension and have her change it back. That is ridiculus.

Old People dont know what

Old People dont know what they are talking about. Look at this guy hes like 80+.

I don't think some of your

I don't think some of your criticism of hotmail is valid: I bookmarked my inbox and so open directly into it without signing in as I've asked Hotmail to remember my signin. I have no other email account so don't require being able to collect mail from other POP3 accounts.

---Hotmail & Gmail---

First off I will say I have both Hotmail and Gmail accounts. The best feature that Gmail has and the only one in my opinion that puts it above Hotmail is the FREE POP3 access. The worst feature of Gmail is the stupid email threading and the fact that they don't have an option to turn it off. Some people may like it but I find is absolutely astounding that their software engineers don’t provide an option to turn it off. In short it’s annoying and its hard to find specific emails, when you’re referencing back. For that reason, I prefer to use Hotmail for most email functions. Also from a “big brother is watching” stand point, I find it very disconcerting that Gmail scans all email on their system and then takes this information and sells it.

Like others have said this blog post was FAR from being balanced. Both have their pros and cons and if you’re not looking for free POP3 in my opinion Hotmail is better just for email. Yes Microsoft has certainly had a number of questionable business practices over the years. But the reality is, Google is quickly becoming the new Mircosoft in terms of how they operate and their desire to monopolize the market. Think of what the public out cry would be if it was learned that Microsoft was scanning all of the email in their Hotmail accounts? But Google does it and I don’t hear a whole lot about it?

On a side note, you can avoid all of the news crap by just going to hotmail.com.