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H-1B legislation alarms India's government

A top Indian official, as well the country's major IT industry group, reacted harshly to H-1B legislation introduced last week by U.S. Sens. Chuck Grassley (R-Iowa) and Dick Durbin (D-Ill.), calling it protectionism and for good reason. It may raise the cost of their product: IT services.

The legislation includes a provision that "prohibits companies with having more than 50% of their workforce using H-1B and L-1 visas," according to statement this weekend from India's largest IT industry group, the National Association of Software and Services Companies (NASSCOM). "This provision unfairly stacks the deck against foreign companies operating in the U.S. because U.S. companies are highly likely to have a high percentage of America employees."

The 50% visa restriction in the Grassley/Durbin bill will impede the ability of Indian firms to bring largely young and mobile workers into the U.S. The restrictions will force them to increase the size of their permanent U.S. workforces, which will likely increase costs and hurt their ability to compete against U.S.-based IT services vendors.  

Imposing this visa restriction may be no different, from the Indian perspective, than the U.S. imposing a tariff on imported steel to protect domestic makers.

The Grassley/Durbin bill has the attention of India's government. The country's commerce and industry minister, Kamal Nath, in a statement last weekend, said the legislation is "not in line with the U.S. president's stand against protectionism ..."

U.S. IT firms, which have already established big offshore operations, aren't impacted by the Grassley/Durbin bill, and that's why NASSCOM says it "unfairly stacks the deck" against India companies. The Indian government and trade group are being frank.

Offshore outsourcing isn't going away and there is nothing in the Grassley/Durbin bill that changes this global trend. But the bill may succeed in putting a focus on this question: Is the U.S. expediting the shift of jobs offshore through its visa policies?

If NASSCOM is asked testify on the use of the visa, it will likely bring the argument it outlined in its statement about the Grassley/Durbin bill:

 "Contrary to some perceptions, H-1 B visas are actually used to provide technically qualified talent that is in short supply, to open new markets, and to accelerate innovation and increase competitiveness for US companies. H1-B visas are not used to displace American workers."

A number of people commented on a recent story in Computerworld on that bill. I don't know who wrote the account below, it was anonymous, but it struck me as authentic. It offers the other side of this. The headline: I was displaced.

"Three years ago a person from India 'joined our team' of E-mail support people. I was tagged to teach him, as I was one of the more senior and experienced people in our group. The language difficulty was severe, but I followed through.

Surprise, surprise, a few months later I was told that I was being let go, after nearly 31 years with the company, and being replaced by the fellow in India. We provided remote support for several clients, and he was just a little more remote than I was. He also was paid less than a quarter of what I earned.

I am working now, but was unemployed for over 18 months looking for any sort of computer related work. I'm also making a fraction of what I was making before, and have no benefits.

THAT is what offshoring and H-1B is doing to our technical resources."

What People Are Saying

I finally get it...

Having read Pat for years, I was not able to undestand his view point - my bad.

I finally get it. He is saying that we should ban H1-B all together and give qualified foreign workers immediate gren cards.

Sorry Pat for having mis-understood you all these years.

Inadmissible Aliens

I have a little newsflash for India, Inc., the Indian government, the American people, and Mr. Thibodeau: ALL foreign workers are inadmissible to the U.S. under Federal law if they adversely affect the working conditions or wages of American workers. THIS IS THE LAW. How does wholesale replacement of American workers by millions of imported workers not adversely affect the working conditions of American workers. ALL of these people here are inadmissible and should be DEPORTED. IT'S THE LAW. TITLE 8, Chapter 12, Subsection 2:

"(i) In general Any alien who seeks to enter the United States for the purpose of performing skilled or unskilled labor is inadmissible, unless the Secretary of Labor has determined and certified to the Secretary of State and the Attorney General that—

(I) there are not sufficient workers who are able, willing, qualified (or equally qualified in the case of an alien described in clause (ii)) and available at the time of application for a visa and admission to the United States and at the place where the alien is to perform such skilled or unskilled labor, and

(II) the employment of such alien will not adversely affect the wages and working conditions of workers in the United States similarly employed.

(ii) Certain aliens subject to special rule For purposes of clause (i)(I), an alien described in this clause is an alien who—
(I) is a member of the teaching profession, or
(II) has exceptional ability in the sciences or the arts. "

Helo Stop living in Denial

Seriously enough is enough. I have lived in America long enough I have worked in all kinds of environment. I will tell you like it is.

1) All the americans are so happy working the same job for 20- 30 years. That sounds lazy to me. I was so bored after 1 year. I was so bored. There was nothing to learn. In spite of that people stayed there for years till retiring. I think that's lazy.

2) We are seriously talented. No matter what you say laws like this are not going to stop us. If that's the case, the companies are not going to take any losses hiring you guys.They have to float.

3)Has America ever like any one seriously. Show some love. U slaved blacks, wage war on terror (lol), make laws on H1, deport mexican's for earning minimum wage. Are you kidding me.
Can you please come up with some thing good.
seriously enough of this bullshit.

H-1B legislation alarms India's government

Here is a great example of how it really works.

I have been working IT for 15 plus years, I am very current and hold two degrees. Recently while on a implementation project run by an Indian company. 80% Indian staffed H1B and L1's. Just recently I had two L1's show up that were going to support the system from India once the implementation is completed. I was kindly asked to train the two so they could support the system in India. I always thought that these L1's were supposed to be subject matter experts. They had no expertise what so every besides being cheap labor.

Would you not know it.. now that they got their training I was nicely rolled of the project 10 months earlier then promised.

So now we have another unemployed American IT worker and two cheap L1 that were brought into the country under false claims "trying" to do the work I was.

NASSCOM is Issuing statements with out Understanding the details

First of all let me ask this basic question. If a company in US has more than 50% employees from India or some other country, can we really call it an "American" company? NASSCOM is also mute on findings that 13% H1-B Visa workers were being hired in violation of US laws and there were other 7% violations. When 1 out of every 5 hired includes violation of US laws, it is time to ask question that are H1-B visas being used in good faith? I think the new H1-B bill is sensible. It does not decrease the number of H1-B visas. It merely rectifies the illegal hiring practices of firms that went overboard.

Well this changes everything

I didn't realize the Indian government would be angry and NASCOM members would have a hissy fit because we require them to at least fill their American offices with half of us.

We should just give up since we wouldn't want to Anger NASCOM. We can't possibly expect our government to represent American workers, now can we?

Sorry NASCOM. Your lobbyists have worked hard, spent a ton of money, and it was silly of us to think we could win against you.

Or just maybe change really has come to Congress. Maybe this will be a test of our government. Will they trample over the American worker as usual and cow-tow to anyone who cries "protectionism"? Or will they stand up for what is right?

We shall find out if things have changed soon enough.

Pat, why did IDG Network

Pat, why did IDG Network (owner of Computerworld) sponsor an analyst on H1 visa?

Yeah Pat why did they .... pray tell

Please tell

Conditions change

The H-1B program was created at a time of severe worker shortages in the U.S. Those conditions are no longer present. But you know what they say about government programs: They are like herpes, once you get them you never get rid of them.

It is scary to hear foreign governments complain about our immigration laws, as if they are entitled...

Conditions change

Of course none of the country have rights to comment about the others immigration policy.But that won't fit for USA. US government some time changes government in other countries to save US business Interest in that country(don't you think government of a country is more internal to that country than its immigration policy??). Where were you guys then. US government goes on preaching globalization to all the countries and in few places forcing the countries to open up the market. No question asked within US regarding this,because you guys are getting the benefits.But when it happens to you people in a different way you guys start shouting. Typical American attitude.

Recession in way is good.It helped the world to see real nature of American Globalization. At least there will be few voices against US if they try to start preaching the Globalization again once they get over recession. People would have laughed out loud ,if someone would have told them about US protectionist activities.Everyone thought US will be the last place to expect such thing. But Recession has exposed the true nature of US . Don't ever talk about Globalization ever.