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Is Apple bailing on NVIDIA?

Former Inquirer writer Charlie Demerjian is reporting that Apple may stop using NVIDIA chips in upcoming Macs. He reports for SemiAccurate (a name that inspires confidence!), that Apple-NVIDIA negotiations on upcoming motherboard chips have come to a bitter halt.

Apple and NVIDIA are going through rocky times. The NVIDIA chip deformations, or bumps, the story of which Demerjian also initially broke and had been following closely don't seem to be abating.

The packaging defects have hit MacBook Pro owners with 8600M GT GPUs pretty hard. Apple, for their part, have issued an unprecedented three year free replacement if the NVIDIA chip goes bad. That is a significant cost because motherboard swaps are about the most expensive repair one can do on a laptop.

Apple this month also introduced the first 15-inch Unibody MacBook Pro without a NVIDIA 8600M GT. The machine still has an NVIDIA 8400M integrated chipset however, which hasn't been affected by "Bumpgate".  This was likely a cost cutting measure however, rather than an issue with bumps.

Demerjian also contends that the packaging problems affect some desktop GPUs as well.  This would bring Apple's Mac Pro line in. iMacs and Minis use mobile chipsets so they'd be included with MacBook Pros.

It also wouldn't just be Apple that is losing patience with NVIDIA. Dell is also rumored to be leaving the video card maker.

NVIDIA also has another big problem. Intel is trying to cut it out of making graphics processors for Dual Core Nahalem-based motherboards. If Intel wins, that would be a pretty strong blow to NVIDIA as those chips would be the logical next generation Macintosh CPU line.

If Demerjian is right, Apple would have to go to AMD/ATI, use Intel's own integrated GPUs or perhaps develop their own solution. They have been hiring graphics people from AMD like crazy lately, so something like that isn't totally out of the question.

What People Are Saying

GREAT NEWS FOR APPLE!!!

I had no problems with a 17" Macbook pro with a ATI card. Love the system, performance was great! Now I have a 13" Macbook Pro crossing my fingers and even considering buying apple care after all the problems with NIVIDA. APPLE GET AWAY FROM NVIDIA!! MAKE YOUR OWN CHIP SET OR ATI!!

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"NVIDIA also has another big problem. Intel is trying to cut it out of making graphics processors for Dual Core Nahalem-based motherboards. If Intel wins, that would be a pretty strong blow to NVIDIA as those chips would be the logical next generation Macintosh CPU line."

Intel is trying to cut nVidia out of making CHIPSETS, not graphics processors.

Actually, you're both right.

Actually, you're both right. Its been reported on several sites, and in several Intel press releases that they want to cut Nvidia out of the onboard graphics processing market. So, that includes both chipsets and graphics processors.

Captcha: sniped marskjold Obviously a young person in Norway has been hunting for snipe.

It would be crazy to hire

It would be crazy to hire GPU engineers to build a new GPU. It has taken many people many years to get to where they are now and there's an awful lot you can't freely implement (need licences etc). Apple would have better luck putting resources behind the group developing an open core GPU (I doubt it because Apple like to hold their work in very tightly clenched fists).

AMD/ATI would be a far better choice than Intel.

NVIDIA's manufacturing issues are a huge threat to themselves; I'm not replacing my desktop GT6800 until I'm confident I won't be wasting money on systems with a high failure rate. I might even be forced to go over to AMD/ATI (once they've sorted out their Linux driver issues).

Could See This Coming

Almost three years ago I bought an expensive 7400GT, and for months fought getting two monitors to work with the card without the Windows system throwing blue screen equivalent errors. nVidia support was useless, and ignored my complaints about their non-responsiveness.

Being real bright, I upgraded to the "highly rated" 7800GT, incurring the same problems even after a half dozen driver updates. It was a mess, and after awhile I concluded their card problems so overwhelmed their tech support there was no way they could ever really help anybody.

I had held off on moving to a second video card and four monitors because of the problems with the two nVidia cards.

Once I hit the wall on screen space, and committed to four new monitors, I purchased two ATI 3850's and all four monitors were up and working without any of the serious hassles I'd been experiencing with nVidia's cards. Two years later these cards run reliably through several ATI driver and software upgrades, without a single problem.

There are signs when things aren't going well for a business, and the signs have been pointing to nVidia's demise for three years now.

Personally I've always

Personally I've always struggled with NVidia cards and MSWin since 2003;I get more features and far better performance (no crashes) with Linux. I suspected it was a problem with OpenGL vs. DirectX support but whatever the case I'd also point a finger at the NVidia drivers because ATI and even Intel chips work fine with MSWin.

What about Charlie Demerjian?

Isn't he the guy who yells fire! fire! fire! at every stadium (aka article)? Well, i guess he is credible, right?

Going AMD seems unlikely

AMD has been solidly behind Intel processing power wise for the last two years and currently looks like may be staying their for a while. Though they have kept up price to performance wise fairly well but at the expense of their stream of income, so much they have had to spin off their foundries to a separate company they only partially own. Which would make it a high bar for Apple to do anything decision soon (especially since they were just updated several products in the last month).

If they are going to split with nVidia then I would expect it to start with Intel's next generation of processors that have a graphics core on the CPU due to start rolling out at the end of this year (mobile versions in 2010).

AMD have their own problems.

AMD have their own problems. Buying ATI didn't help, as they only took on more debt.
If AMD dumped ATI they would be on good terms again with nVidia, then AMD and nVidia could work to thwart Intel's plans for more control.

It's too bad about nVidia really. I cheered the day they bought out 3DFX.

The best nVidia card I've used to date is the 7900GS. Overclocked, it basically became an GT, and a stable GT at that.