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IE gets 'fixed' and users get panicky

Yesterday, my partner, who works as an IT consultant for freelancers and other individuals, had his workday interrupted by panicked calls from two of his less technically-adept clients. They said their browsers were "broken."

What happened? Along with a variety of important patches, Microsoft had pushed Internet Explorer 8 to their PCs, and these poor babes in the woods had no idea how to make it work.

It wasn't that IE8 itself crashed -- it installed fine. But users who had been happily using YouTube, eBay, various Google apps, and a variety of Flash-dependent sites -- and who had accepted their weekly Microsoft updates as a usual event -- suddenly found that many of their add-ons (such as Flash) no longer worked.

I realize that it can be hard for many of us to have too much sympathy for users who aren't knowledgeable enough to tweak a new version of their browser so that it can accept their add-ons. But think about how most of us live with our automobiles. We're capable of filling the gas tank, and checking the air pressure and oil. But when you hear a mysterious noise, most drivers have no way of knowing whether they simply need new brake pads or whether the transmission is about to give up the ghost. Unless you're a home (or professional) mechanic, spending five hours trying to figure it out isn't really a useful option.

Microsoft, apparently, feels that it is. After convincing thousands of users that the company knows what's best for them, and that they should therefore accept the weekly updates that come their way, it pushed through an update that effectively interrupted the usefulness of their systems. (Yes, Microsoft did issue a blocking tool for people who did not want to have IE8 pushed to their systems. How many users do you think heard about it?)

So what can these people do? If they have the presence of mind (and make it through several pages on the Microsoft support site), they can call Microsoft and hope for a sympathetic support tech -- one who knows how to interpret "YouTube has stopped working!" to mean "my current version of Flash isn't working with my IE8 upgrade."

If they have the funds, they can call a service or other professional to take care of it.

If they don't have the funds, they will start calling us -- the siblings/sons/daughters/grandchildren/college friends who are their go-to folks when it comes to anything technical.

Thanks, Microsoft.

What People Are Saying

Dear you are working so much

Dear you are working so much nicely and greatly. I really like all your efforts that you have done for the improvement of this blog. I am also waiting for your new posts.

IE 8

Twitter is suggesting I should upgrade to IE 8. Ages ago I (stupidly) installed the Beta version and (smartly) uninstalled it very quickly.
Is it better now, or should I ignore Twitter's advice?

IE 8.0

Ah, the memories.

AOL was wondeful, then "they" made it worse and worse and worse - I'll never forget version 8.0 which I called HATE POINT OH and now, oh yes, Microsoft has taken away top honors.

With AOL, I knew it would only take time. Sure, they kept charging my credit card every month no matter how hard I tried to cancel - they owe me a bunch of $$$ and there should be a class action suit put against them, but anyway, this is not about them.

It's all about you, Microsoft.

Internet Explorer HATE POINT OH!

H8.0 is bad, really bad.

You want to laugh at me and how long it took me to figure out that now the drop down bar feature a nice X to delete sites, and that X was placed exactly where I normally clicked to enter that site?

Go ahead, laugh all you want.

Like me, still laughing at AOL, because once that expiration date changed on that credit card, ha, you no longer got any of my money.

Microsoft, H8.0 is aweful.

And Vista, I had to use Vista for the first time a few weeks ago, Microsoft, you guys and gals have totally lost it.

You are so far out of touch with the normal user than you seem alien.

And the fact Bill Gates allows you all to put this garbage out on the market pretty much says how far out of touch he is.

Are you all so arrogant that you ignore the common little every day users?

Upset, yeah, but you know, I went through a SAP conversion, it's bad for the users and business, great for programmers and white collar managers.

Oracle, the same, but better than SAP.

But, that is like comparing cow patties.

And IE H8.0 is beyond cruel, as it is something everyone could use -

Has anyone heard how they can justify H8.0?

OK, ramble mode off.....

Please stop buying Windows, try a Mac

OK, Microsoft blows it sometimes, it's true. Too often, actually. I try to encourage users to KEEP UPDATING, then they screw up the updates! Personally, I just started using IE 8 and it seems fine, of course..! But to be scared from updating just plays into the hands of malware writers. Vista is another story..it finally works pretty well after 2 or 3 years, in fact in many ways it's better than XP..but how all the clunky interface designs got stuck in there I'm not quite sure..?
I'd suggest trying a Macintosh as an alternative.yes, some of their updates have messed things up too, but it's pretty rare, and the malware writers haven't had much luck screwing up Mac users either..
So why do millions of people KEEP BUYING Windows computers then?!
Well, they ARE cheaper..and there's a LOT more business software written for them IF you're actually a business user of course..

LOL. You really don't

LOL. You really don't understand the situation. Sure there is less malware on the mac, but not for the reason you're thinking. It's not that they are one single bit better than windows against malware or problems like most mac users think. They think microsoft has tried, and tried and just keeps failing while the wizards at apple have it solved. Instead the problem is that ms has far more to deal with than apple because it has 10 times the user base. And yet they pretty much solve the issues. It's just not perfect. And it's not perfect in mac world either as you said. Imagine if it suddenly had 10 times the users. The the number of attackers would grow. You think malware writers have not had much luck with apple. WRONG. Just google, "My mac has a virus" and read some. It's not that they don't have luck. It's just that they don't care quite as much to infect machines few people use. If they attacked at the rate they do windows, mac osx would fall to pieces over night. Seriously. I'm a 30 year professional on both apple and pc. So why do people keep buying them? Becuase they are cheap? You make it sound like they are cheap junk which is what most mac users think. I have an i7, 8GB ram, 1TB drive at 4GHZ that is faster than any typical mac. And it cost $680. It's rock stable too. I just do the updates. But sure, yeah. Some people will run into problems. Just as they do on mac. Only the report list will be 10 times as big. Not hard to figure out. Much of what's thought about mac are a pile of myths. Instead using a mac tends to be more of an inconviance for people when they realize the smaller software base. And quite a few mac users even turn around to run windows. So mac is a fine computer. But I've noticed that people usually get the whole thing wrong. That said. MOST people will benifit more from a good pc with the updates than they will from a mac. Of course every one is different.

"Fixing" IE

"So what can these people do?" They can install Firefox. One less piece of microsoft software is one less thing to worry about.

how to fix IE8 and firefox does have problems too

i downloaded IE8 about 2 months ago, i used to have firefox and it had no problems at all. Infact i loved it, well my daughter went on facebook and there is a place called farmtown, it is a game that everyone loves and you make your own farm and grow crops and have people come and pick your crops for money, then you sell what they picked and you make money which in turn makes u able to buy more things for your farm, it is a really fun fun game. Well everyone putter's started to crash, they went to farmtown and read the blogs and it wasnt just my computer as i thought it was but lots of people were having issues over the game, The owners of the game said they are trying to fix the issue's and it shouldnt take to long. So this is why i deleted firefox thinking it was there fault. then i put in IE8 all i get is constant error reports at least 10 a day, they make me crazy, I figure i should re-install firefox, yet if i keep IE8 my comp. seems to be slower with all this on it. Now i want to delet IE8 and just use firefox but it too has said "We are sorry for the inconvienence we had to shut down" i was getting this all day too. what is a good browser? any out there at all????

IE8 push increases security

IE6 is an obsolete, INSECURE, program that should not be on anyone's system.

Continuing to have IE6 on your system is just nuts.

IE Fixed

Just wanted to say I almost installed this on a clients machine as they are still using explorer 6. So very glad I didn't...

I agree

I couldn't agree more with this posting. Microsoft has lost touch with non-techies. I suppose this is understandable for a company of techies.

They also have shown, time and time again, questionable judgment. IE8 is not a critical bug fix and thus should not have been forced on non-techies. This is very much like how they installed a Firefox add-on that could not be un-installed and didn't even bother telling the user about it.

Apple's rise in popularity may have very little to do with OS X and much more to do with things like this.