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Seeing Through Windows

More dirt in the Vista 'junk PC' lawsuit

New behind-the-scenes emails just released in the Vista 'junk PC' lawsuit shows that top Microsoft execs were not just upset and derisive about the capabilities of "Vista Capable PCs," but about the state of Vista altogether. Steven Sinofsky, who had just been named the top Windows honcho, was particularly incensed about driver problems because he couldn't even get his home printer to work. I've got details, including excerpts from the actual emails.

A federal judge has just unsealed many Microsoft emails, as part of the lawsuit against Microsoft for a marketing scheme in which people claim that Microsoft misled consumers into buying the Windows Vista Capable PCs, even though the PCs couldn't run the most important features of Vista.

Portions of the emails were previously read in court, in which Microsoft employees derided the marketing scheme, saying, for example, "Even a piece of junk will qualify" to be called Windows Vista Capable.

The fully released email trail, however, is even more damning, because it shows that the then just-named top Microsoft exec in charge of Windows, Steven Sinofsky, knew that Vista had very serious hardware compatibility problems at launch. The full email trail is available from a link on the blog of the Seattle Post Intelligences's very good blog about the matter. You can also read Computerworld's reporting about the latest email revelations.

Sinofsky couldn't even get his home printer to work properly with Vista, and recognized that some hardware would never work with Vista. He sent an email to Steve Ballmer on February 18, 2007, outlining all the reasons that Vista, on launch, had so many incompatibilities with hardware. Here's an excerpt:

Basically I think three things worked against us:
  • No one really believed we would ever ship so they didn't start the work until very late in 2006. This led to the lack of availability. For example my home multi-function printer did not have drivers until 2/2 and even pulled their 1/30 drivers and re-released them (Brother).
  • Massive change in the underpinnings for video and audio really led to a poor experience at RTM, especially with respect to Windows Media Center. This change led to incompatibilities. For example, you don't get Aero with an XP driver, but your card might not (ever) have a Vista driver.
  • A lot of change led to many Windows XP drivers not really working at all -- this is across the board for printers, scanners, wan, accessories (fingerprint readers, smartcards, tv tuners), and so on. This category is due to the fact that many of the associated applets don't run within the constraints of the security model or the new video/audio driver models. For example, OrlandoA [Microsoft executive Orlando Ayala] is not on Vista because there are no drivers for his Verizon card yet. Microsoft's own hardware was missing a lot of support (fingerprint reader, MCE extender, etc.)

People who rely on using all the features of their hardware (like Jon's Nikon scanner) will not see availability for some time, if ever, depending on the mfg. The built-in drivers never have all the features but do work. For example, I could print with [my] Brother printer and use it as a stand-alone fax. But network setup, scanning, print to fax must come from Brother.

The Vista Ready logo program required drivers available on 1/30. I think we had had reasonable coverage, but quality was uneven as I experienced.

Board member Jon Shirley had problems as well with Vista hardware and drivers. And he had software problems as well. He couldn't even manage to get some Microsoft software to function under Vista, complaining that he was not able to get two MSN products to work.

Shirley, who at one time was Microsoft President and Chief Operating Officer was particularly scathing about the hardware problems. He couldn't manage to get his Epson printer, scanner, or film scanner to work. Read this excerpt from his email to Steve Ballmer:

I cannot understand with a product this long in creation why there is such a shortage of drivers. I supposed the vendors did not trust us enough to use the beta for driver testing?

The emails also show that execs knew the entire Vista Capable scheme was a fiasco, and wanted to distance themselves from it. Jim Allchin, the previous Windows chief, at one point writes about the Vista Capable program:

I wasn't involved and it is hard for me to step in now and reverse everything.

Sinofsky also knew that the entire "Vista Capable" scheme thoroughly confused customers. In one email with the subject of "vista ready," he noted that customers had no idea what Vista Capable, or Vista Ready meant:

I was in bestbuy listening to people and can tell you this one did not come clear to customers. We set ourselves up.

Later, in another email, he shows that even he doesn't understand what Vista Ready means. He says,

Is it true that Vista Ready doesn't necessarily mean Aero capable? I got a Dell Latitude that is Vista Ready but doesn't have enough graphics h/w.

Steven, I've got news for you: Plenty of other people have no idea what Vista Ready or Vista Capable means. That's why Microsoft is being slapped with this suit.

If you're looking for more dirt from the emails, check out my blog that shows that Microsoft may have launched the entire Vista Capable scheme to help Intel meet its quarterly earnings by selling older chipsets that couldn't properly run Vista.

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What People Are Saying

Any smart Software Companies out there??

Since XP and its brother and sister OS's are going buy the wayside for Microsoft, Why dosnt some other Software Company put in a bid for the XP family of OS's and develop it under another name. I sure would be more interested in an old OS that works and works well, than struggle with a new OS who's release was executed so badly.
What benefit dose Vista give me?? It uses more resources, and has more to go wrong.
What was Bill Gates philosophy?? "I don't care if it isn't perfect, just get it out there and we will fix it later?"
Microsoft seems to stick by that these days, but granted the complexity and size of OS kernels these days perfect is not an option, but i would think that minimum hassle would.
I know i would support "XP Gen2" by "who ever" as an OS if was based on the original.
An OS dosn't need more bells and whistles, it just needs better looking and sounding ones.
If i had the money and the know how i would be asking MS right now If i could purchase the rights to the XP family. Why?? Because it works and it dose what is needed.
I know in the future when XP is no longer an option i will educate myself in the ways of Linux or even Mac.

Vista, junk pc

Most of the windows haters out there are ones that have it hacked and cant get updates or else it blows up in their faces, or mac users who have their noses so far up in the air they would be mistaken for pinochio;
I will be the first to admit that MS has messed up from time to time, especially since they decided to go "shareware" on their OS's. Having said that, Win2000 still stands out to me as one of MS's best piece of... work... (if that is there best...?).
It all reminds me though of the TV reporter interviewing people leaving Wal-Mart with large, full bags telling them how much they hate the store...(whats that under your arm, sir?)
I have Vista on a hp laptop (9000 series) and once I got it tweaked the way that I like it, it is not as horrible as I hear it made out to be.
What I do hate about Vista is when you attempt to ghost it, and re-image back onto the same hdd, it goes bananas because the MBR got stroked the wrong way! That IS junk!
John in PDX.

I just punted on MS

I put in my order for a MacBook Pro yesterday. The Vista fiasco is yet another nail in the MS coffin. I look forward to being able to just chuckle at MS shenanigans and think about what it was like in the bad ol' days.

Buh bye, Redmond. I won't be missin' ya.

Vista working fine

Well, I will be the only one here to go against the crowd. I have installed both Vista RC1 and, later, Vista RTM in my PC, a Pentium 4 with an ASUS motherboard, 2 GB of RAM and and many software, such as CorelX3, Photoshop, InDesign, 3dsmax 7, 8 and 9, PageMaker 6.5!, several games, including the good old Warcraft 2, and they all run perfectly well. I had no problems at all with device drivers, nor with software updates.
Maybe I'm lucky

Vista

An encouraging though is if you want Visat to work, buy a Mac, Vista is a copy of OS 10 so why not upgrade to some stable and Virus free computer system.
Windows was a copy of Mac OS, before that you guys used Dos, I guess Dos is still an option if you want to actually function. But then again PC users would have nothing to complain about if they went to Mac.

A company of blood-suckers...

MS is ruining its reputation by the day. Consumers realize that this company is only interested in making money. Not honest money either. Vista is terrible. I forked out big money for it and I cannot even get my joypad to work. Switched back to XP. Vista is pure annoyance and has nothing new to offer. Aero is not even pleasing to the eye.

Drivers, not Vista

I can't for the life of me understand how your joypad not working is Microsoft's or Vista's fault. Surely it is the fault of your joypad manufacturer for not releasing appropriate drivers.

Deja vu Windows 98

Jeeez, MS could have saved a pile of development dollars if they just started burning copies of a Windows 98 CD and putting a Vista label on them. Reading this article, it was such strong deja vu that I almost got a flashback to the bad old days of 98.

Vista

Vista is a remake of Millennium. That only lasted about 9 months on the market. I see the same for Vista. Why do you think they are releasing Server 2008 early? To take the focus off of very bad product. 98 was actually pretty stable, considering. Xp was the best product released my MS.

Eh, maybe XP

I donno about windows 98. I think windows 2000 and XP have matured pretty well though. I'd recommend XP.

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