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Preston Gralla

Seeing Through Windows

My nightmare trying to upgrade to Vista SP1

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Pity me. I'm trying to update to Vista SP1 and it turns out I'm one of the people on the Vista SP1 banned driver list. I've wasted hours of my life that I won't get back, and still no SP1. I'll show you what I've gone through, including screenshots, so that you don't have to go through this mess yourself.

Even though Vista SP1 has been released, it won't show up on your machine yet (and didn't show up on mine) because it won't be available via Automatic Updates for a month or so. Even then, it won't hit everyone's machine right away, because it will be gradually rolled out.

So to update, I did what Microsoft suggested, check for it via Windows Update by selecting Control Panel --> Check for Updates, then clicking the Check for updates link.

When I did that, though, I was told no new updates were available, as you can see in the screenshot below.

Next step --- check the Microsoft Knowledge Base article 948343 that explains why SP1 might not be installing properly. None of the reasons seemed to apply to me, except possibly the list of drivers that cause problems with SP1. Anyone with a driver on that list won't be able to get SP1. Here's the list of audio drivers and display drivers. For a fuller list, see the Microsoft Knowledge Base article 948343.

Audio drivers

Realtek AC'97

  • For x86-based computers: Alcxwdm.sys - version 6.0.1.6242 or earlier
  • For x64-based computers: Alcwdm64.sys - version 6.0.1.6242 or earlier

SigmaTel

  • For x86-based computers: Sthda.sys - version 5.10.5762.0 or earlier
  • For x64-based computers: Sthda64.sys - version 5.10.5762.0 or earlier

SigmaTel

  • For x86-based computers: Stwrt.sys - version 6.10.5511.0 or earlier
  • For x64-based computers: Stwrt64.sys - version 6.10.5511.0 or earlier

Creative Audigy

  • For x86-based and x64-based computers: Ctaud2k.sys - version 6.0.1.1242 or earlier
  • For x86-based computers: P17.sys – all versions (This was originally a Windows XP-based driver.)

Conexant HD Audio

  • For x86-based computers: Chdart.sys - version 4.32.0.0 or earlier
  • For x64-based computers: Chdart64.sys - version 4.32.0.0 or earlier

Display drivers

Intel Display

  • For x86-based computers: Igdkmd32.sys – versions between and including driver 7.14.10.1322 and 7.14.10.1403
  • For x64-based computers: Igdkmd64.sys – versions between and including driver 7.14.10.1322 and 7.14.10.1403

Now, I think that I'm like most people; off the top of my head I don't know the exact version numbers of every driver on my computer. And there's no simple way to find that out, no simple list you can look at.

What to do? Head to Device Manager, by typing Device Manager into the Start menu, and clicking on the Device Manager icon that appears. Then I had to click through every device on my PC, and see if it's on the list of banned drivers.

Sure enough, I saw that I have a SigmaTel audio driver. So I right-clicked it, selected Properties, clicked the Driver tab, then clicked Driver Details. A long list of associated drivers appeared. I had to check every single one of them against the banned drivers list. I finally found the culprit, as you can see below.

An updated driver didn't show up in Windows Update, so I followed Microsoft's advice and headed to the SigmaTel Web site, and found the support page. But it turns out that SigmaTel sold its entire audio line to IDT, so SigmaTel had no information about drivers.

Next stop, the IDT Web, specifically the page on the site that offers updates on Windows Vista support. Finally, I figured, I'm getting close.

Wrong!

When I got to the page, I encountered this annoying message:

IDT currently does not provide end-user support or drivers for PC Audio products. This includes the PC and Notebook audio product lines acquired from Sigmatel.

Our Original Equipment Manufacturer (OEM) partners have requested that all technical support for end-users and product related questions for their models be handled by the OEM directly.

By now, I'm starting to get exceedingly frustrated. I've now got to head to the Dell site. After a whole lot of futzing and fussing, dead-ends and misdirections, I finally manage to get to a page that lets me enter the model and number of my PC. It then includes links to all the drivers for it, including the SigmaTel audio driver.

Great, I figure, I'm finally getting closer.

Wrong again!

As you can see in the screen below, the driver that it says I can download appears to be an older driver than the one on my system. So downloading it won't help. There's a possiblity that the Dell driver listed doesn't really match the hardware on my system, or that it's a driver for a different audio device. But there's no way for me to know that --- the Dell site told me this is the driver I need.

At that point, I threw up my hands, and figured that I don't need Vista SP1 that badly, anyway. I have it installed on another machine, a laptop, and as I've reported in a previous blog, it's not exactly an earthshaking update.

I know that I can always try to update the driver directly from the Device Manager. But I've already wasted enough hours of my life on this. I figure it's time to get some real work done.

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What People Are Saying

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well, at least your not

well, at least your not running OS X </sarcasm>

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It seems to me that you're

It seems to me that you're grossly exaggerating the difficulty of fixing these problems. I'm a 65 year old woman who has been using PCs for less than 3 years, yet it only took me 30 minutes to solve the Sigmatel driver issue. If you remove the Sigmatel driver from your system entirely (including the .sys files), a true-blue Microsoft driver will automatically kick in and you can then update to SP1. This is explained on Microsoft's web site, so why all the fuss?

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Dood...

Use the older driver! Are you running some heavy duty sound card?! (Nope, if it's a Sigmatel driver you are using.) You aren't looking for cutting-edge, mega-high quality sound with onboard sound cards. Use the older driver and get on with the SP1 FUN!!!

...oh, wait...

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SP1 update

Why didn't you just download the standalone updater (about 400 MB)?. I used it for five very different PCs (different manufacturers, configurations, etc) and it just does the job. A whole lot easier, IMHO.

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Lost in the wasteland...

Seriously dude,

I'm not like a fangirl or anything like that, and I realize you've got a job to do and part of that likely means dealing with Microsoft -- but this whole Vista/SP1 deal is beyond absurd now.

Without going thru the entire Vista litany again, because we've all heard it before, why are you even wasting those hours of your life trying to stick a round peg in a square hole? Wouldn't you rather just turn on your machine and be able to do your work and not worry about things like this?

My story is simple -- when Vista was released I made the decision right then and there to switch to a Mac. Then, we rebuilt two other desktops in our house which were running XP and converted those to Ubuntu/Linux. I mean, come on! They just work!

I guess you don't really value those hours of your life that you continue to spend on Bill Gates' broken software, or, maybe you don't have a life and have the time to waste? Because I can't understand why you or anyone else tolerates this nonsense in their lives. Would you continue to drive a new car if it had the kind of problems Vista has, or would you bring it back to the dealership?

Easy question when you put it in that kind of perspective.

People really need to break out of this mentality that they don't have any other choice but to use some variant of Windows on THEIR computers.

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Yeah, right. Linux "just works." What a load of crap.

nina aoki said:

"Then, we rebuilt two other desktops in our house which were running XP and converted those to Ubuntu/Linux. I mean, come on! They just work!"

Yes, Ubuntu just works. Here's my experience with that:

First attempt to clean install Hardy on my brand-spanking-new PC..

Guess what - as long as you're using two-year-old hardware, so the "Vibrant, responsive Open Source community" has had time to put down their bongs and write drivers for your bleeding-edge, two-year-old machine, then, hey! "It Just Works!"

I've had to hack drivers to make stuff work. I've had to hack installers to make stuff work. I've even hacked the kernel (not because I had to, but because it's kind of fun). But you know what?

I'm tired of this non-stop self-abuse-fest that is trying to use Linux to be productive. It was cool when I was a CS grad student, I mean, we were all doing it! Right?

I'm not switching my SATA HD into crap-mode just so Linux can work - I like to leverage the latest technology. I'm not writing my own drivers - I have real work to do, and I'm not in college anymore. And I'm sure as hell not waiting for those hippies to come to some damn communal consensus about SATA hard drives.

I'm going to physically put the Kubuntu install DVD on top of my case, so if anyone asks if I've got Linux on my box, I can honestly say yes, and then enjoy using an OS that *actually* "Just Works."

(P.S., Yes. Yes, nina aoki, you are a fangirl. Either that, or you've never actually had to use a computer to do real work.)

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I hear ya

I must admit I did the same thing except buy the mac. When vist first came out and I saw 1) the price tag with no cd's etc and backward incompatibility I said enough is enough checked out alternatives. Loaded Ubuntu on all my computers (3) and have never looked back. All worked out of the box with very little driver issues. I also have tons of free support. April 24th is the release of the new Ubuntu and I have downloaded the beta.... so far (a few bugs) I am thrilled.

People really do need to break out and break away and stop letting microsoft dictate their time and money.

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lol ok Sorry to break it to

lol

ok

Sorry to break it to ya... but windows is here to stay. Its not going anywhere period.

Sure you can just switch to a MAC. Mac enjoys alot of limelight due to the fact that no one bothers to

1) hack it
2) break it
3) write a virus for it

simply because it isn't as much fun. If it were worth the trouble... MAC OS would be getting punched full of holes just fine as well.

So to simply say switch plaforms from one that is industry wide support to ones that aren't like MAC and Linux is just stupid sorry.

Windows is what we have to work with. To date no one has bothered to come up with something better. MAC OS certainly isn't and neither is linux. Till that time the the smart ones have to figure out how to deal with Windows.

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re: lol

Rob,

Your opinion has been noted, although I must point out that "better" is simply a matter of perspective, and it is funny that your opinion entertains a certain naivety that people in the real world can't really afford.

Truths:
XP has networking support which has been more extensively tested than any other OS.
XP has withstood the test of time, and been the primary OS in nearly every industry for nearly 8 years.
XP has more applications written for it than any other os.
XP's support runs out next year.
Vista's networking is... lacking.
Vista has major compatibility issues.
Vista is less stable than OSX.
Window's 7 is being released in about a year.
Mac is easy to use, and comes ready to use and network right out of the box.
Ubuntu is ALMOST as stable as OSX and comes with almost all the basic packages pre-installed.
Linux servers have been more extensively tested than any others.
Oh and one more thing, both Linux and Mac are making huge strides in becoming cross compatible (ie. many Windows applications work on them)

If I was starting a business right now and had to buy new computers, I would use Ubuntu for both the servers and the workstations for two reasons. The first, because they are cheaper. The second is because they are more stable than Vista ever dreams of being, and I'm not a big fan of Apple computers.

When Windows 7 comes out, Vista will disappear. This reminds me a lot of Windows ME. It was only distributed for about a year and then XP took over. Oh, and they are/were both horrible operating systems.

If a person purchases a package to do something, and it does it, then great. If it doesn't then they should get their money back. Vista does not offer the things that they claim to offer. That is why they are in the middle of lawsuits right now. OSX does. So does Ubuntu. SO, if that's how a person determines better (it does what it says it will do), then nearly every major OS distributed currently is better than Vista.

I recently switched my Vista laptop (which I have been running for a little under a year) to Ubuntu. I was finally fed up with all the Vista BS.

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SP1

Last night I received (via Automatic Update) a request to download SP1 for my Acer Aspire laptop. I downloaded it without problem (about 40 mins) but when it got to the install screen and as it told me this would take 1Hr + numerous restarts I decided to click the do not install button.
This morning on starting the machine there was no sign of SP! nor was it listed as available to download, nor did i show up in my programs. Your help would be appreciated.
tony