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No girls allowed! (and NOT The Shining)

In today's IT Blogwatch, we look at why females aren't into Computer Science. Not to mention an alternate preview for The Shining...

Why aren't there as many women going into Computer Science? In an article in The Boston Globe, Marcella Bombardieri writes, "Diane Souvaine leapt into graduate school for computer science having taken only one class in the subject ... Next spring, when 22 computer science graduates accept their Tufts diplomas, only four will be women ... In the early 1980s, it had one of the highest proportions of female undergraduates in science and engineering. And yet with remarkable speed, it has become one of the least gender-balanced fields in American society ... [computer scientists] view the dearth of women as symptomatic of a larger failure in their field, which has recently become less attractive to promising young men, as well. Women are 'the canaries in the mine,' said Harvard computer science professor Barbara J. Grosz ... The shortage of new computer scientists threatens American leadership in technological innovation just as countries such as China and India are gearing up for the kind of competition the United States has never before faced ... A Globe review shows that the proportion of women among bachelor's degree recipients in computer science peaked at 37 percent in 1985 and then went on the decline. Women have comprised about 28 percent of computer science bachelor's degree recipients in the last few years and in the elite confines of research universities only 17 percent of graduates are women." [Despite Judi's suspicions, it doesn't seem to be a problem with unequal pay]

» Brian Scarbeau: "As a computer science educator and father of two daughters I read these type of articles with great interest and wonder if everyone in this industry does their part to make females feel welcome in their class or at work ... Do they get the same jobs as males or do they get the jobs that males don't want to do and leave? The lack of interest in computer science is not just in females but males as well. Colleges and universities see steady declines in their enrollments and more recently Tulane University in New Orleans which will open up next semester after the hurricane has dropped computer science in the curriculum ... In my web design class which has many females enroll in have had the opportunity to do some web programming in class ... As teachers we have talked to the guidance department counselors to identify students with good math scores and try to encourage them to take computer science courses. We have spoken to middle school students about high school courses ... Even after all this work, in 11 years of teaching AP Computer Science, I've had only 5 females in my class ... So what can you do to help? Get involved with your local school is a start. As a professional, you can volunteer to go to a math or science class and talk about what you do for a living." [And, if you're a CS undergrad, perhaps some of this soap might not go amiss?]

» Parker Morse: "I've known one or two women in CS, but the gender balance issue wasn't a big one for me until this semester. After all, what could I do about it? I happen to be in a department with roughly equal numbers of men and women as faculty and graduate students, which seems to be an anomaly in the field. Then, a few weeks ago during registration for the spring semester, one of the (relatively few) women in Comp 11 asked me if she should register for the next course in the series. Of course, I said, if she likes what she’s doing in Comp 11, she should take Comp 15. Then she floored me with the next question: 'How many courses will I have to take before I catch up with all these boys who already know everything?'" [A really interesting read -- if you click through to just one item today, make it this one]

» Dru Lavigne, ITtoolbox: "The reasons behind the disparity in numbers between male and female computer science graduates have been argued for several decades--with apparently little effect on said numbers. An even more interesting phenomena has developed within Open Source where the low percentage of women is even more pronounced with estimates of 2% instead of 12% ... Not being a developer myself, yet very much a technical geek, this has been obvious to me for some time. In order for any software project to succeed you need R&D, coders, testers, ... trainers, marketers, ... bookkeepers--in other words a lot of people with a range of differing skills ... As Open Source projects mature, they tend to gather more non-developers. This makes perfect developmental sense: for example, you can't document a product that hasn't been coded yet. What's interesting though is that non-developer roles have been treated as less "sexy" and are less often the subject of media interviews or conference topics within the Open Source community ... I suspect that there are a lot of women working within Open Source and the female/male ratio is much smaller within non-developer roles."

» Suresh, The Geomblog: "The other point the article makes that I really don't agree with is that a focus on programming and technical aspects of computers is what attracted male programmers (read 'nerds') to the field, to the exclusion of females. The implication of course is that if computer science education were focused more on problem solving and 'impact on society', that more women would have been inclined to enter the field. This is debatable. Any higher level 'non-programming-centric' approach to teaching computer science would involve heavy dollops of math; linear algebra, graph theory, calculus, probability, geometry, you name it, even if you never ended up doing theoryCS. Math has always had a problem attracting women students, and I don't see why shifting focus away from programming and towards problem solving (which I highly encourage, btw) would make the barrier to entry for women students any lower."

» Emily's Musings: "As a computer science major (though at a liberal arts college) who just went on to join a very female dominated field (library science), I've always been interested in gender and technology issues and am still not sure where I feel I fit into all of that."

» Joanne Jacobs:  "A Boston Globe story suggests that c.s. departments are stressing technology rather than the applications of computer science, discouraging those with weaker tech backgrounds. Women are the first to go, followed by American males ... Now that computer science is a much less popular major, professors are trying harder to attract and retain students, male and female."

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And finally...  Rejected trailer for The Shining? [In case anyone was wondering, Nizlopi's backhoe song did make it to #1 in the UK -- here's to a second week and giving Simon Cowell a bloody nose]

Richi Jennings is an independent technology and marketing consultant, specializing in email, blogging, Linux, and computer security. A 20 year, cross-functional IT veteran, he is also an analyst at Ferris Research. Contact Richi at blogwatch@richi.co.uk. Also contributing to today's post: Judi Dey, our very own Antipodean.

What People Are Saying

I have been in this field

I have been in this field for several decades, am female, age 48. I was a USAF officer (flew a computer) so I certainly have male-oriented experience. LOL, I am a leader of men by edict of congress. Oh yeah have a masters in engineering from George Wash. Univ. And my PMP credential. Yet it is frustrating to see men with johnny-come-lately Univ of Phx degrees in "info systems" or "tech mgt." jump ahead. Didn't take but six weeks off after birth of each kid; certainly less than those pesky prostates and heart attacks the men my age seem prone to...

There IS an inherent bias against women and furthermore, it has gotten a lot worse in the last five years with the influx of males from certain cultures where let's just say, girl babies are aborted/left to die, and woman alive at age 48 is a miracle (and probably a grandma many times over.)

I have an 18 yr old girl going off to college and 20 years ago, I would have pushed her to comp sci or eng. (My husband is an EE so tech rules in our home.) But nowadays, I can't help but think that Miss-undeclared-major-may-major-in-English-or-history is a lot better off than if she were headed MIT-way for a comp sci degree.

One thing I've also noticed is women in this field are punished career-wise for exhibiting any sexuality.
Whether really hot-looking, or by flaunting the fact that one has actually had sex by becoming pregnant..there's punishment, subtle punishment, in many cases. Whereas good-looking men and fathers are rewarded.

My daughter (now 24) has

My daughter (now 24) has grown up seeing the many hours I have spent working all hours of nights, weekends and holidays only to see my job now in jeopardy thanks in part to outsourcing. Why would she want to pursue a carrer in the IT field ?

RE: your editorial comment:

RE: your editorial comment: [Despite Judi's suspicions, it doesn't seem to be a problem with unequal pay] BULL! Unequal pay still exists as well as your single so the married person needs the OT or raise more. (Yes, Been there, had that done to me.)

Also, why should anyone be encouraged to get a CS degree is this day & time? If the jobs are not being sent oversees, they are H1-B'ing the jobs. Microsoft is a good example of this. If the jobs paid good wages, then US citizens/residents would apply. But no, they want to pay really low wages, so theyhave to go H1-B route (and get the gov to give them more of them). Not all Microsoft jobs are done this way, but a lot are.

Sadly I agree

Sadly I agree

I agree with the comments about being replaced by a cheap labor H1-B.
I work in one of the few tech areas that cannot easily be outsourced, hardware repair and onsite support. This is also often one of the poorest paying sections of IT. I like what I do, a mix of troubleshooting, hardware, application knowledge, programming and people skills. Something new to be puzzled out comes across my desk every week or month. On the other hand I have no family and live in Nebraska where the cost of living is low. If I wanted a family I would have to change fields, if I wanted to have an apartment of my own anywhere expensive I would have to change fields. I am one of the lucky ones, I have a job and I like it. But IT is not a field I would recomemnd to anyone who might be happy doing anything else.

Women Find IT Boring

Women Find IT Boring

Like accountancy. IT only needs the intellectual side of the brain, something that men have in common, whereas women also use their creative side, which is why they tend to be users.

More would enter the field if ...

Perhaps both more men AND woman would enter the field if they knew that it was possible to make a career in the field.

However when you know that you will probably be replaced in three or four years by a cheap labor H1-B, why bother.

You're better off being a bean counter.

And to give you an idea of what upper management thinks of engineers, the infamous Jack Welch stated that he thought that engineers should only make about $30K a year.

So with that kind of a mind set, why bother.

I have been an IT consultant

I have been an IT consultant since 1981. What I have seen is that women managers do not mentor, they compete and eliminate, and men act as if women are too stupid to do the job. Companies like Microsoft expect a woman to neglect her children and work 60 hours a week and companies like Boeing keep a woman on call 7/24, 365 days a year. Men coworkers from overseas tell American women to stay home in the kitchen taking care of the house and overseas managers favor workers from their own countries. How can any American woman survive all that? I have, only because I have become the best at what I do, even so I have to prove myself at every single turn. I would not recommend that young women take this difficult pathway. I have invested my whole life in it. It is too late for me to get out now.

They're living in a fantasy world

What is stunning to me about this thread is that no one has even mentioned what many understand as the single most compelling reason for the reduction Computer Science majors in the US. The mass transfer of jobs by companies from this country to India and others has caused students and graduates to vote with their pocketbooks. Anyone who would expect large numbers of students to spend their increasing tuition dollars and years of their life studying CompSci when they know that they will be unable to find decent paying jobs in the field after graduation, is simply living in a fantasy world.

Broaden the entry-level opportunities

First of all, I want to point out that by subjective observation, there appear to be more female computer users than male users. Just look where computers historically have the highest usage density: clerical and data entry functions. And how many males do you see in these fields?

Conversely, look at most mechanical/electrical repair fields; how many females do you see rebuilding car alternators?

In my opinion, computer technicians/help desk type positions culturally look a lot more like the above mechanical/electrical repair fields. And where do you suppose most people start in their computer science careers?

I'll make another subjective observation - in general, the really sharp women I've met in the personal computer industry are avid first-person shooter type gamers. While certainly this is not universal, a lot of gamers seem to also go for tatoos, body piercing, gothic styles and other counter-cultural displays. As an employer, what kind of work do you give people like this - high visibility, well paying jobs with lots of customer contact? Generally not.

In summary, we either need to broaden the entry-level opportunities in the computer science field, or work on better balance of the sexes across a wide spectrum of employment fields.