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Sony SXRD, HDTV and 1080

As you may have read on my brother's blog, he recently purchased a 50" Sony SXRD (KDS-R50XBR1) rear projection TV (RPTV). This is the same exact make and model of HDTV that I purchased in March and received delivery of last Thursday.

This TV is one of the few true 1080 capable sets available on the market today. What does this mean? It means that the TV has an actual (native) resolution of 1920x1080. What other TVs currently have this resolution? Most CRT based units have it, although unlike the Sony, they cannot typically display 720p (1280x720) signals. JVC and perhaps a few others make some 1080 D-ILA (both SXRD and D-ILA are different versions of Liquid Crystal on Silicon or LCoS technology) displays and there are a few direct view LCD displays that are 1080. There are also a few 1080 native plasma displays, but they are very expensive and will run you about $10k for similar size TV as the 50" Sony SXRD that costs $3000 to $3500.

What about DLP sets? Sorry to anyone who's recently purchased one of the so-called 1080 DLP sets, but there are currently NO DLP RPTVs that I am aware of that are true native 1080 displays. All of the DLP displays that market themselves at 1080 are in fact using a 1280x720 DLP element that uses a technique called "wobulation" to approximate the effect of 1080p, but they do so horribly. The current crop of DLP displays are just not worth buying. They introduce a lot of color and motion artifacts and just aren't as sharp as the LCoS units.

So what does all this talk of 1080 mean exactly? It means that on average, a true 1080 display will produce higher resolution images, that is, images that are sharper and crisper than a 720 display.

Problem is the market is very confusing right now as most sets that are 720 are not well marked as such. It does not behoove the manufacturers to announce to the world that most of their sets are not as good as the few and proud sets that are true 1080. Most of the retailers don't push this info to the front as they typically want to push what they can get the largest margins on as well as what they have too much of.

In other words, it is only really in the interest of the buyer whether or not a TV is truly 1080 and many of consumers don't care either as they have other factors that are more important to them, such as size of the TV combined with price, or perhaps they want a big flat screen to hang on a wall, but don't want to pay what it costs to get a 50 or 60" flat screen that is 1080.

Along with that is the problem of 1080P or 1080I (the P stands for progressive and the I stands for interlaced). This is where things get even more confusing. Fret not as there are basically no current sources for 1080P signals other than a computer. Because of bandwidth concerns, no one broadcasts HDTV in 1080P 30 frames per second format, which currently is the highest FPS 1080P format available. Since this is for all intents and concerns equal to 1080I which is broadcast at 60 fields or half frames per second (which is equal to 30 frames per second), whether a TV does 1080P or 1080I is of little significance really.

I bring up that point though, as most of the current crop of native 1080 displays, except for perhaps the Westinghouse LCD panels, cannot accept a 1080P signal. What they do instead is take a 1080I signal and "deinterlace" it into a 1080P signal.

There's been much talk about whether 720P or 1080I is the better format and this basically centers around the fact that content can be output in 720P at 60 frames per second, which is twice the frame rate of 1080I or even 1080P, so you in effect get similar amounts of pixels per second. This is why 720P is used a lot for sports programming, where frame rate is more important that overall resolution. However, while a native 1080P display can do 720P signals just fine by upscaling it, a 720P display cannot do a 1080I signal very well as it has to downscale it thus losing the extra resolution information.

What's maddening to me is that companies are still bringing to market newer 720P displays when they should be focusing on 1080P displays. This is where Sony gets it. They are basically cutting production of their plasma displays and will be focusing primarily on the SXRD technology for their future products. In fact the next generation of SXRD displays will be able to accept a 1080P signal, if that's important to you for future use.

I know that Mitsubishi and others are slated to come out with different technologies for their DLP sets, but until they start using true native 1080 chips, move to a 3 chip design and get rid of the color wheel, I personally think that DLP technology is a non-starter. Plasma has proven too expensive to really be viable. Organic LEDs or OLEDs have been talked about as a promising display technology, but I haven't heard much about planned sets using OLEDs.

The only other technology that I'm aware of that shows promise is SEDs. SED technology is being developed by Toshiba and Canon jointly and is supposed to start shipping in early 2008. SED is sort of like combining an LCD panel with a CRT display. Instead of one large tube that a CRT has, each pixel in an LCD panel is replaced with what are in effect tiny CRTs. Each pixel (actually each sub pixel of red, green and blue) has its own electron emitter and phosphor. This design gives you the advantages of LCD or Plasma (very thin TV, fixed geometry and a naturally progressive scan display) with the advantages of CRT (contrast or black-levels, color fidelity and brightness) while having lower power requirements than pretty much any other technology. Will just have to wait and see if it lives up to the promise or not and how expensive it is released at.

Currently though, for large screens, LCoS is it and Sony's version in SXRD is the leader. For smaller screens, direct view LCD is pretty much the only option for those looking for a 1080P display.

My advice would be to get a 1080P display if you are buying now. If you can't afford one, wait until they are affordable and get one as you won't do yourself any favors by buying an already obsolete product. Be very wary of claims that a display is 1080 capable. Just because it accepts a 1080I signal doesn't mean that it is a true native 1080 display. As I have noted above, very few displays have in fact true native 1920x1080 resolution, which is required to be a true 1080 display.

If a salesperson tries to sell you a non-1080 display (DLP for instance!) when you specifically ASK for a 1080 display, smile and walk away. They either didn't do their research or they don't care and just want to sell you something, in either case they don't deserve your sale.

Lastly, if one of your requirements is the ability to hook up a PC and display from the PC at 1920x1080, the current Sony SXRD is not for you. The max resolution signal it will accept from a PC is 1280x1024. Good enough for 720P, but not good enough for 1080.

You can get more good info on HD and 1080i at the HD1080i blog as well as on the Wikipedia site.

Here's a link to a good roundup of reviews of the Sony SXRD sets over on htdude.com.

What People Are Saying

Use Powerstrip dunno how but

Use Powerstrip dunno how but it makes it work. Wonderful program. :)

I just got my 50A2000 a few

I just got my 50A2000 a few days ago. (Last model in stock, good closeout deal.) The new 50A2020 is the exact same thing except with a black housing.

Only con i have is when you've got a completely white background you can see the 'screendooor' affect. Its not noticeable 99% of the time tho.

I'm trying to run my PC w/ DVI to HDMI off an ATI Radeon 9800XT. The card and software support any resolution can think of. Anything past 1280x768 causes the TV to go blank. Doesn't matter what refresh rate i use. This bites my arse because this was one of the only reasons i bought this TV as a monitor. Running 768 on the VGA is fine, (why the hell is the VGA opted out at 768 anyways?) but i get about 3" of 'black box' around my desktop and no aspect ratios to zoom in with.

Running DVI-HDMI @ 768 overscans and my desktop runs off the edges of the screen. No zoom nor ATI sofware shrinkage will allow it to budge! Very fustrating to say the least.

If anyone has any ideas PLEASE let the rest of us know how to run 1920x1080! Thanks. ^_^

You can't do wide screen

You can't do wide screen using RGB connector on the 50" XBR SXRD. Max resolution it will accept is 1280x1024.

If you want to do full screen you'd have to get some sort of VGA to HDMI or Component converter if such a thing even exists.

They do have DVI to HDMI

They do have DVI to HDMI connectors. This is what I am going to use with my TV and HTPC on my KDS-50A2000 (even though Sony says I can't). My video card is HDCP compliant and can easily do 1080p (eVGA 8800GTS 640MB). Will report back with results.

I have this TV

I have this TV (KDS-R50XBR1).. I tried connecting my notebook to this tv using the VGA input. However, the screen will not show in the whole screen(full screen), it's probably showing 60% of the screen. When I press the "wide" key on the remote, and the tv will display "feature not available". does any one know how can I have the tv show in full screen mode? (the resolution doesnt matter to me). i was able to do a full screen mode on another DLP sony tv.
I would really appreciate if someone can help me with this as I dont know anything. Thanks

Old thread, but I have the

Old thread, but I have the same problem as a previous poster. I have an XBR2 and I cannot get the picture from the VGA input to fill the screen, even when pushing the "Wide" button. I understood that this button just scaled the image up or down to fit or not fit the screen, so I don't think this is a resolution issue per se. I am not positive about this, however.

Here is the weird thing. I had just set up the PC (running MythTV under Ubuntu) on my LCD monitor. I brought the PC up to the XBR2 and woke it up from hibernation. I got a small image, but I WAS able to use the Wide button to get the image to fill the screen, and it looked great. I had to do some tinkering, so I rebooted the machine, but when it came back the XBR refused to fill the screen with the image - "Feature not available". So I do know that at least once the XBR would fill the screen with my image, but I cannot figure out how to get it do it again !

Looks like Sony is focusing

Looks like Sony is focusing on using LCD technology for screens smaller than 50".

As for why the new non XBR 50" SXRD is cheaper than yours and mine 50" XBR screens, one thing I've noticed is that they are using a lesser version of their upscaling/deinterlacing engine, so who knows what other components they reduced the spec of to cut costs a bit.

Guess they have to do something to differentiate between the XBR and non-XBR sets.

I am currently deployed and

I am currently deployed and am planning on dropping a paycheck on an SXRD when i get home summer '07. everyone i have talked to that knows has told me get an SXRD...but these are also friends of mine that have the cash and space for a 60"...i don't have either. any ideas if Sony will produce an SXRD in anything smaller than 50" (42 or 46) and maintain 1080p?

At the end of the summer I

At the end of the summer I bought the discontinued 50"xbr1 rear projection at a great price, I bought the set because I was told that I wouldn't notice the difference between the 1080i and the 1080p unless I buy a blue ray DVD player. With all that said, I was browsing at a local home entertainment dealer and saw that the new 50" xbr2 was considerably cheaper than my discontinued Sony in a matter of months. Why would the newer model with the newer technology be cheaper.

Latest Update. Take note of

Latest Update.

Take note of the lamp wattage changes in the 1st gen SXRD and 2nd gen SXRD, and also in the 2nd gen SXRD XBR. The lamps are 110W, 120W and 180W respectively. So I have yet to see a side by side comparison, but it looks like there are going to be significant brightness differences between all these units. I suspect these different bulb wattages will also significantly effect display quality and sharpness of picture detail. So now the question is, when does Sony release an XBR SXRD 50" without ears (side speakers)? Guess I am still waiting. Oh well, digital broadcast TV standards, broadcast HD bandwidth issues, and all the HD-DVD/Bluray issues will take another year to be sorted anyways. 2008 will be the year of true HD. I think anybody jumping into the HD market before then is bound to end up with some nagging complaints with their current HD products/services.