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Martin McKeay

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Could I use spam to make a profit, legally and ethically?

Last night on my drive home, I listened to a story on 'pump-and-dump' spam that's being sent out on a daily basis.  You know the stuff, "Stock XYZ is going to go ballistic today!!!", which it often does because there's a fool born every minute who'll believe this and act on it.  Presto, the stock's up for a couple of days, the spammers sell theirs and then everyone starts getting wise and selling off.  A week or so later, the stock's 5% or so lower than when it started.  No one wins, except the spammers.

I'm not big into stock, but I started wondering if it would be ethical and honest to start arranging for a put on the stocks that are listed in these spam messages.  You know, one of those arcane devices thought up by stock analysts that let you sell the stock now, hoping it's price will go down, and then you have to purchase the real stock at a later date.  Since it's pretty normal for these stocks to drop after the spam has run its course, you'd be pretty sure of making your profit, just not in the way the spammers are expecting.  Unluckily, the owners of the stock in question still lose out in the bargain.

It's an interesting mental exercise, and if someone has the time to track some of these spammed stocks for a couple of months, I'd be interested in hearing your results.  I don't think I'm going to try my strategy for two simple reasons: first, it's unethical; second, even if it was ethical, my wife would never agree to it.  Oh well.

What People Are Saying

That's regarding the

That's regarding the "Unluckily, the owners of the stock in question still lose out in the bargain"

Is there a possibility that these poor, unlucky guys will try to find the spammers (i.e., some of their investors), then sue them to death? We all know what kind of money Wall Street can allocate to much more useless stuff. Also, it'll give us a strong precedent...

If we start from the premise

If we start from the premise that taking money from stupid people is unethical (and possibly cruel) then this qualifies. It's like rearranging the furniture at a blind person's house. What kind of person does that!

Furthermore, IANAL, but I think this may also border on illegal as far as the SEC is concerned. You would essentially be participating in the pump-and-dump scam yourself. While the scammers might make their money by buying first and selling as the wave crests, you are reversing the transaction and selling at the crest and buying once it settles down again. Your profit is counting on the momentum created by the illegal pump-and-dump emails.

Finally to EJ:

Give up a 5% profit?! You're crazy! Some words of wisdom from Montgomery Burns:

One dollar for eternal happiness? … I'd be happier with the dollar." - Mr. Burns

Homer: "Ya know Mr. Burns, you're the richest guy I know - way richer than Lenny.
Mr. Burns: Yes, but I'd trade it all for a little more."

Essentially, you are

Essentially, you are profiting from the understanding that a measurable percentage of the public are gullible and manage their finances badly.

If this is unethical, how is it ethical to open a casino?

In regards to the note from

In regards to the note from anonymous; funny how he says what he says and doesn't put his name on it.

Charles

How is it unethical? The

How is it unethical? The information is essentially public (anyone with an email address will be getting a copy unless the SPAM filter gets it).

How is this different from hearing that some Internet bank (or online trading broker) has been cracked or subject to huge fraud and then buying/selling stock accordingly?

The only real difference in this case is that the fraud is acting on the stock itself rather than the company that ownership in this stock represents.

While it may not be nice to profit from the misfortune of others, it is not always unethical.

I'm going to take a wild

I'm going to take a wild guess and say your mental exercise is pretty much unethical. And besides, at only 5% profit, it's pretty tough to dislodge your ethics. ;)