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Was extended warranty worth it? You decide.

'Tis the season for extended warranties, those little “dealer packs” that consumer electronics retailers sell to allay our fears – and fatten up their margins. Whenever a product plays on your fears you can bet that there’s a big profit in it. That’s good news for consumer electronics retailers, which make as little as 5% on products such as an iPod, but rake in 80% or more on the extended warranty that goes with it, according to researchers at NPD Group Inc.

But is that a bad thing for the consumer? Making a good profit is the American way, after all, but the arrangement needs to be win-win. What, really, does the consumer get out of the deal? The Circuit City Advantage Protection Plan promises to “Extend the thrill of ownership” by covering repairs outside of the warranty. Last week I put that claim to the test when my daughter’s portable DVD player failed.

Just over a year ago she bought a $129.99 Nexxtech 7-inch portable DVD player with her savings, and I kicked in $29.99 for what was described as a four-year extended warranty. During that time, I was told, Circuit City would repair the unit or replace it for free if it failed.

We had problems almost immediately. The first unit began skipping and Circuit City replaced it under the store’s 30-day return policy. The replacement unit worked fine at first, but gradually began to get more and more flaky. Last week we brought it in for repair under the terms of the extended warranty. Here’s what we learned:

Lesson 1: What you think you bought isn’t always what you get
As I spoke with a store representative it became clear that Circuit City’s definition of the terms of the “protection plan” was quite different than what I had thought. My understanding was that Circuit City would repair or replace the item should it fail for the duration of the extended warranty period. That is, it would be covered for the entire four years, regardless of the number of repairs needed.

Not true. As the customer service clerk explained things, in fact I had purchased a one-time replacement or refund contract that expired after four years or when I made a claim, whichever came first. That wasn’t exactly clear in the Cityadvantage Protection Plan terms and conditions currently on the company’s Web site. As for the service plan description that came with the original receipt, it states that “The Cityadvantage Protection Plan….starts on the date of purchase and extends for the life of the plan.” The unit was covered either way, but this important difference of interpretation had ramifications as we decided what to do next.

Circuit City does not repair portable DVD players, so my daughter had two choices: receive a replacement unit or a refund in the form of a “gift card” for the original purchase amount of $129.99. The new unit, however, would not come with a warranty at all, she was told. For that she would need to pay $29.99 for a new extended warranty. Given the performance of the two previous units, going with no warranty was a big gamble.

Lesson 2: Keep everything that came with the product or you’ll pay a price
Next we learned that it’s not enough to return the defective unit: One must bring in all of the various bits and pieces that came with it. Did we still have the original box and all cables? If not, deductibles would apply. For example, failure to produce the original "manual" - a stapled, 2 by 3-inch mini-booklet that looked like it had been photocopied - would result in a penalty of $12.03 off the value of a gift card. But if my daughter couldn’t produce everything and we chose a replacement unit, they could take the missing pieces out of the new box – assuming that they still had the same unit in stock (they did).

My daughter found all of the various accessories, but she was through with Nexxtech. The contract terms stated that she was entitled to “a full refund of the purchase price” so she opted to receive the $129.99 gift card.

(Of course, a gift card is not really a refund – it’s another name for a merchandise credit. My daughter was limited to spending her refund at Circuit City. For the retailer, however, a gift card costs less than a cash refund. If she chose a product with a very low profit margin – an iPod – the cost to the store would be about 95% of the value of the card. But if she chose a high-value item, such as accessories that may carry markups of 50% or more – the cost to Circuit City might be half of that.)

Lesson 3: Thanks to dropping prices, replacement units cost less and offer more
None of that mattered to my daughter, of course, so we went shopping for a replacement DVD player. Soon we discovered that the same player she had purchased a year ago for $129.99 now sold for $99.99 – a 23% drop in price. Newer units offered more features for less money.

The extended warranty, which I bought for 23% of the original purchase price, was covering a replacement unit that cost $30 less. Thanks to price deflation, the extended warranty actually cost about one third of the value of the replacement unit. I had paid $30 to shield myself from the risk that I would have to spend $99.99.

Lesson 4: Buying a unit with a better warranty doesn’t cost you anything
As we looked at the various brands we realized that warranties varied considerably. The Nexxtech carried a 90-day warranty, while Polaroid’s was good for one year, parts and labor included. Buying a Polaroid unit gave us an “extended warranty” at no extra charge, and one might presume that a manufacturer that backs its product with a warranty that’s four times as long as Nexxtech’s has more confidence in its product’s reliability.

It used to be that a product that failed to perform was thrown away and you never bought that vendor’s product again. Today, extended warranties turn potential product weaknesses and fear of failures into a profit center. The truth, of course, is that most electronics are highly reliable and those that do fail do so almost immediately. Those failures are covered by the store’s return policy or manufacturer’s warranty.

I reminded my daughter of that fact. In the end she got her replacement DVD player. Instead of buying the $99.99 Nexxtech unit and spending another $29.99 on an extended warranty, she decided that she could live with Polaroid’s longer, 12-month warranty. So she used the $30 she would have spent on the warranty and invested it into an upgraded model with a bigger screen. She was thrilled.

Sure, the new unit might fail. But I think we can both live with that risk.

What People Are Saying

BAD BAD Circuit City Warranty Program BAD BAD BAD

I purchased a new Toshiba laptop from Circuit City. I also purchased the extended warranty. NEVER AGAIN. I have had a continuous problem of the system overheating and shutting down for 3 years now. I have sent in the laptop over 7 times for repair. They have broken my AC Adapter and I have also had to send that in after getting the computer back. Now it is time for the final and third repair in a 6 month period...time for system replacement. They called me and told me that the system had physical damage and that they would not fix it it anymore. This is FRAUD and I will continue to try and get them to honor their warranty. NEVER AGAGIN. NO CIRCUIT CITY, NO TOSHIBA LAPTOPS, NO EXTENDED WARRANTY......CRIMINALS!!!!!

No way you are getting away

No way you are getting away with it with Circuit City Business Model

A little over 2 years ago we

A little over 2 years ago we purchused a Playstation 2 from Circuit City in Mchenry, IL.
We also got an extended warantee. It recently stopped reading discs correctly and we went to the store to put the warantee into effect. Thats when the hassle began. They told us, US, that we, WE, had to send it out and that they would send us a new one. We sent it out, paying our own good money. We waited 3 whole weeks. We called them and they then told us that they were "sorry", and that they would send us a gift card for $115, (a ps2 costs $130). It's been almost 2 weeks since that now. Once (if) it arrives we will have to pay $15, and we allready paid money to send the system out. So for this, i hope circuit city falls into ruins, and goes out of buisness. Then Best Buy and Radio Shack become the most succesful stores in the world. I HATE CIRCUIT CITY!

extended warranties

We purchased an extended warranty from Best Buy for a JVC 52" Tv. What a joke. The lamp finally blew and we called for service. After we placed our order they said it would take 5 business days to get the part. It was a Wednesday so that meant next Wednesday. We asked if we could have it shipped overnight and we would pay for the shipping and they said no. We asked for a technician to come out and they politely told us ya we could send one but he's only going to order the part and that will take another week. After waiting a week and no shipment we called and got more run around. They finally tracked the shipment and it was in transit. They then told us it was no longer their problem take it up with UPS thanks, goodbye. The TV is excellent it was three years before the lamp died which is good however we will not buy from Best Buy again because they do no stand behind their warranties nor are they concerned about good practices for their good customers. Oh ya they told us that 24 hour service is only good for the first year of the warranty after that you wait like everyone else. Funny it doesn't say that anywhere on the policy.

Poor Service on CC Warranty

I purchased a Circuity City Warranty in February 2006 for 2 years with accidental coverage (meaning that no matter HOW the laptop was damaged, it would be repaired or replaced).

I brought it into Circuit City on January 3rd because it would not turn on.

I called about two weeks later (the time frame they gave me for it's return) and they said it would be about 5 more days. Understanding that things take time, I was okay with this. However, about 3 days later my laptop was returned to me UNFIXED. I received a letter saying that because of water damage (which I don't recall happening) they could not process my claim. I immediately called Circuit City and they told me they weren't sure why this happened, but the notes said that they would need to replace it, so they would inform the contracted company and call me in a few days to arrange this. Since I know how companies work, I did not accept this. I called the company that they contracted to fix my computer. I made arrangements for them to pick up my computer and ensured that they put notes on my work order that my CC Warranty was in fact an Accidental Coverage Warranty and it should be repaired or replaced at no cost (which circuit city had informed them of).

As of know Feb 6th, I still have no computer, nor do I have an update. Each time I call they say "we just received it, it will take a few days" when in fact, they received it FOR THE SECOND TIME on January 25th. If they do need to replace it (as they said they would) it will take another 2 weeks.

Circuit City Extended Warranty

NEVER EVER buy an extended warranty from Circuit City!

To: Legal Department
Circuit City

From: Marvin

Re: Incident 1050 6733 which later turned into 1066 1624

We purchased a new HP laptop at Circuit City on 11/25/06, ticket number 317 202 320 812.

We also paid $549.99 for a 5 year extended warranty that we were told would cover repair or replacement of this laptop or its replacement anytime during the following 5 year period. We were told that anytime during the 5 year period if the machine could not be fixed, it would be replaced with a new machine of similar or greater specifications.

Now after we have sent our laptop to you to have a hinge repaired, I am being told by your warranty department that if the laptop needs replacement one time during the five year period, the warranty is filled and is void from that point on. This is not what we were told when we purchased the laptop. To find out whether we had simply gotten an untruthful or careless salesperson, several weeks ago, I drove to another Circuit City store in Wichita KS and went back to the computer department and asked the following questions and received the following answers.

1. Q. If I purchase your 5 year extended warranty with a new laptop and my computer needs to be replaced, will you replace it with a refurbished or a new machine?
A. It will most definitely be a brand new machine if your laptop cannot be repaired.

2. Q. Let’s say my laptop needs to be replaced in year two of the warranty period and then in year 4 the laptop we received in year two needs to be replaced – is the warranty still valid or is it only good for 1 replacement?
A. Oh, definitely, you will receive another new laptop. The warranty is not limited to one replacement.

The hinge on the original laptop came apart in October of 2007 and on 11/23/2007, we returned the laptop to Circuit City using the packaging Circuit City sent to us. It was sent in the box and padding that your company provided. We carefully packaged it and I personally took it to Fedex. The laptop was in perfect condition except for the hinge. In fact, my son had used the laptop for over a month with the hinge apart.
On 12/12/07, we were sent an email with photos of a laptop that was either damaged very, very severely in shipping or is not ours. We are almost certain it is not our laptop. The lid does not look the same. The photos showed a laptop that looked like it had been run over by a truck. The screen was shattered and the keyboard and the body of the laptop were ripped apart.

We were told that the laptop would be replaced with a refurbished machine but that our five year warranty would then be void. We were offered a refurbished Gateway machine that did not have some of the features that our HP machine had, and we declined the Gateway. We were told that they would get back with us with another option that had the features of our HP that were important to us. They never got back with us.
All that is in your call notes.

Several days ago I again called in since my son has been without a laptop since November and this is January. Our laptop did not need replacement – all it needed was a hinge repaired that had come apart. We did not drop the laptop – the hinge just came apart and we cannot recall any single incident that caused it, which is beside the point, actually, since we paid $549.99 for coverage that covered most anything.

When I called in they said that Incident number 1050 6733 had been closed and that we had been sent a Gateway laptop replacement. This is false – we have not received anything.

I have spent hours on the phone with your customer service department trying to get this worked out and am ready to take legal action and was told I could write you as a last step to work it out with you.

In my last conversation with your company, I simply asked to have my original laptop returned to me. They are telling me that it is not possible.

Conlusion:

. I sent you my laptop in packaging that you provided and we followed your instructions. Either you sent me photos of someone else’s laptop, claiming it was ours ( I have asked repeatedly for a photo of the serial number of that machine for which we were sent photos and have never gotten any) or the laptop was severely damaged in shipment. If it was damaged enroute, then either you or Fedex need to take responsibility.

· Only one replacement machine, the Gateway, was offered and we did not accept that machine and were told that another option would be given us but never heard back. Our incident number actually was closed and when I call in, I am told that we were sent the Gateway.

· I am the owner of the laptop I sent to you. I want it returned so I can see for myself the serial number on the machine we received photos of. I have been asking someone for weeks to check the serial number with no response. I spoke with Aron several weeks ago who was most helpful and he sent another request for that but I hear back nothing.

What I ask of you is very simple and reasonable. There are several options.

1. Repair the hinge on the otherwise perfectly fine laptop we sent you and return the original machine.
2. Send me a replacement HP machine with all the features of my original machine and my warranty is NOT to be voided out since the laptop I sent you did NOT need to be replaced. I will not accept a replacement machine if that voids out the 5 year warranty that I purchased.

The way this stands now is that I entrusted you with my laptop. I am the owner of that laptop and if you disposed of it without my permission and my acceptance of a replacement, then you are legally liable.

Sincerely,

Marvin
marvin@goldrule.net

status of claim

We just purchased an HP from circuit city today. I read your blog. can you advise what the status of your claim is? Also how do you like the HP, if you got it back. Thanks

circuit city

did u ever get this worked out? Having the same
problem.

Hello all, I bought my tv

Hello all,

I bought my tv in 2004, I got an Hitachi 50" RP LCD that cost me over $4000 and got the extended warranty as I wanted to protect my investment. So after a 5k purchase all was fine when I got it home and set up but after about 2 months I noticed a blurry patch appear on the screen so i called CC and explained my problem. They sent out a tech who found the screen defective and replaced it within 2 weeks.

Satisfied so far..............

But here is where my experiences start to go down hill.

8 weeks ago I started to notice another blurry patch and so called CC on Monday, explained to them and they arranged a tech to come out the following weds. But within that time waiting for the tech the tv started to act possessed, it would shift the picture to the right and put up a grid on the screen.

So when the tech came out his first response was "How can you watch that ?", he said it was a well documented problem on this tv and he would order the part needed. I got a very positive feeling after this and understand these things happen so i went back to work happy knowing its being handled. Well I didnt hear anything so I called CC after a week and was told that they ordered the part and we arranged again for me to take time off work.

So when the tech came he took 1 look and also noticed a green patch that I hadn't noticed. He checked through the tv settings and said it required a different part, so after determing what parts it needed he went away and ordered the new part and would fit both at the same time..a week later we arranged a time for him to come and fit them.

But by now the tv started to flash different colors and lose contrast intermittantly so when he showed up he looked puzzled and said that is a different part that we needed to fit and he would have to order it.

So, as of that point I had had the screen replaced and had an engine, bulb, lens and controller card on order. Well the parts were backordered and when I spoke to CC to find out how long this will be I was told it would be another 2 weeks.

Well, last week the tech came out again to fit the parts and guess what ????......can you guess ?.....it now requires a completely different part as well and he would like to fit them all at the same time. So I told him that I am now tired of being patient and just want a frickin tv i can watch.

Now the tech has been excellent and understanding but he did say that it looks like I need a new tv so when I asked him to mention that to CC he implied that CC will do whatever they can to avoid that. But at this point the amount of the parts I have on order is more than $2,000 not including the labor.

So now I sit here with a broken tv waiting on CC to pull their finger out. Be warned.

We Had Good Luck with Circuit City Warranty

We purchased a 40" Sony picture tube TV from Circuit City in 2001, and purchased a 5 year in-home extended warranty. Three months before the warranty was to run out, we had a problem with our TV. It wouldn't turn on. Circuit City sent someone to work on the TV. He took in the circuit board and had it for a couple of weeks. When he brought the part back, the picture would come on, but now we had a black and white picture and the picture same picture came up in 4 blocks that the vertical hold was not holding on. The repair person took the part back in, had it for a few days, and determined the picture tube had gone out on the TV. My husband contacted the warranty company directly - after they confirmed with the repair company, we were told it would cost more to replace the picture tube than to replace the TV. Circuit City sent us a voucher to take to the store for the new TV. They did pro-rate the TV and offered us another 40" Sony HD widescreen LCD TV (a 1080i), one of the newer models. It wasn't as expensive as the one we had purchased, but all in all, was actually nicer than the one we had. Since we thought the widescreen at 40" looked smaller than what we had, we opted to take the value of the offered TV and upgrade to a 46" Samsung. They were totally happy and willing to work with us on whatever we wanted to do. We did purchase another extended warranty, and also got a check back for the unused portion of or original warranty. We couldn't have been more pleased with our service and what Circuit City did for us. So Sorry about your problems. I guess we were luckier than we realized.