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Seeing Through Windows

Comcast: We'll blackball big downloaders with no warning

Comcast has begun canceling the accounts of people who perform lots of downloads, but the ISP refuses to reveal exactly what its download limits are. The Boston Globe reports that an increasing number of users are kicked off Comcast for exceeding bandwidth limits. What are those limits exactly...or even approximately? Don't bother asking, because if you do, you'll feel you ended up in a Kafka novel.

According to the Globe, Amanda Lee of Cambridge, MA received a call from Comcast, warning her that she had to cut back on her downloading, or else the ISP would cancel her account for a year. Lee wanted to know how much she could download, so asked what the limit was.

The Globe reports, "When she asked what the download limit was, she was told there was no limit, that she was just downloading too much."

Then, one month later, he account was canceled for -- you guessed it -- exceeding the download limits, even though Comcast refused to tell her what those limits were.

Lee is not alone. The Globe reports on other people stuck in a similar situation. In fact, even Comcast's customer service reps don't know about the rules.

The Globe says that when Lee called back Comcast after her initial warning to ask about the limit, "the customer service representative suggested that (the initial Comcast call) may have been a prank call." Of course, it was't.

Others have reported similar problems, says the Globe. It reports that Frank Carreiro of West Jordan, Utah contacted customer support after his family was warne that they would be kicked off because they use too much bandwidth. And then, the Globe says, "The customer representative said there was no official limi." But then, "the family's service was shut off in January."

Here where I live in Cambridge, you can't turn on your TV and not get bombarded by Comcast ads promising fast download speeds, and showing music, videos and other content you can download fast with Comcast.

Comcast somehow never mentions that if you actually do those things, it'll blackball you and kick you off the service.

The idiocy of this is apparent, and I think it's going to come back and bite Comcast. When it comes to broadband, people want one thing primarily: More bandwidth. Comcast hypes its ever-increasing download speeds. If you promise people fast downloads, you shouldn't then kick them off your service for actually taking you up on your promises.

Other ISPs, like Verizon for example, imposes no limit on downloads. Unless Comcast changes its rules, Verizon and others will eat its lunch.

What People Are Saying

When you call the Comcast

When you call the Comcast sales office, they will tell you there is no usage cap. (I verified this recently.) I can understand there might need to be a cap, but it should be published and explained honestly up front. Heavy users should be throttled, not just denied service for a year. Ethics aside, if they want to make money and serve customers, they could be willing to sell accounts with higher caps. Particularly with a steady stream of new services like Netflix online movies and the BBC online iPlayer, I don't care how fast my connection runs. What I want is a connection that will meet my needs all month long. Ideally it will be provided by a company that does not lie to its customers.

Read the Comcast AUP ...

Read the Comcast AUP ... it's online. I don't see unlimited consumption as a feature, just reasonable expectations on speed. Mbs and Mb are two entirely different measurements ;}.

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Uhh.. Hey Anon. I'm afraid you don't understand what's going on here. The "Advertisement" and "Contract" I signed both stated "unlimited use for a flat monthly fee".

I don't know about most people but my 3rd grade child knows what "unlimited" means. Comcast doesn't however :-)

If they want to submit different terms then they need to define them like my new ISP Xmission does.

totally agree with Chris

totally agree with Chris

Look, I pay for the service,

Look, I pay for the service, in essence, If I pay what they require they have no right to shut my service off for downloading. I pay, I download. They stop my service temporarily, I call comcast, and demand a credit on my bill every time they do this, amazing how it immediately comes back on. I don't care if it stop for five minutes or five hours, I ask for a credit everytime. If more people do this, they tend to leave you alone because all you have to do is threaten to go to another provider and also threaten to sue with an attorney. It doesn't matter what their policy reads, it's amazing how when you say you are going to sue, how they leave you alone, also mention that you are going to go to the local newspapers and television. They don't like that either!!!

I received that "security"

I received that "security" call, they say it is for my own security, told me I downloaded more than 600GB, usually that is unsecure wireless connection. OK I told the guy, I have only one computer connected to your service although I have 5 computers total (didn't mention other computers are using DSL, my parents) and I explained that last month I subscribed a website, porn site to be exact, and I downloaded their movies and pictures, just as anyone would. guess that doesn't help anything. Yes, I did ask the limit, he said it is a dynamic number based on percentage. Wow, so i think there will always be that top 1% download "hog" and they just cut it one by one until everybody using broadband but downloading dialup amount of content. About speed, right, they increased our speed, that could explain why suddently I can download more stuff quickly and exceed their "virtual" limit. What a good way to get rid of your cust, high speed, snap, break your neck!

Most of you all are missing

Most of you all are missing the point. Why should what I do affect you. The architecture is a failed design. In the age of switching we should have a connection that allows us to upload or download up to what our connection is set for without affecting anyone else. We are paying a premium price and in rural America in many cases do not have alternatives that are acceptable so it is not a free market. As for the comments of woe is me someone has to pay for it, bull, if the companies that sell the service were not making money they would move to something that was, the issue is how much profit will satisfy the investors. But lets address the real problem in technology (and other areas like education and Manufacturing) we have lost the desire to be the best in the world, we settle for good enough as long as someone is making a boat load of money.

I got a call from comcast

I got a call from comcast yesterday 04/15/2007 comcast security ! telling me I am at the top 1% from the month of march 2007 I have downloaded only 285 gigs in march and I am over 200% the average user bandwidth ,if I get another infraction in the next year I will loose my comcast internet service

they could not tell me what the average user bandwidth is so screw comcast for not living up to there unlimited policy
i am going to download 100 gigs and if comcast does not like it they can goto !@#$%^&*()

Comcast "excuse" is

Comcast "excuse" is bandwidth hogs degrade the system, but from their own numbers, hogs only amounted to less than 1 in 10,000 households. I'd like to know how one household capped at 6mbit can degrade the network for the other 9,999 households?!

Hey Anon, >It's not fair for

Hey Anon,

>It's not fair for the majority of users to
>pay for the infrastructure required for the
>minorty of users ... small minority.

Comcast is deliberately targeting the "average" person to use more bandwidth by offering its own music and video download services. Not to mention that the "average" person is well aware of Youtube, MySpace and the many television network sites that offer whole program downloads the day after broadcast.

Comcast is two-faced. I have it and wish I didn't, but I can't get DSL (because the phone lines won't support it) or Dish (because I live in a condo) and have no other broadband choices.

Not only two-faced but over-priced and unfair. I know people in a neighboring state also served by Comcast who pay about half as much as I do for the same service. Their phone costs about the same, why should I be subsidizing their cable service?

Even if you live in a condo,

Even if you live in a condo, you CAN still get Dish or other satellite service. The condo management has the right to tell you where you can and can't put the dish, but they CAN NOT stop you from getting it. FCC rules and regulations, I used to work for Direct TV.