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Vista performance: The user experience is all that matters

Is Vista a dog? Last week when I commented about Wall Street Journal technology writer Walter Mossberg's disappointment with the slow boot up times for Windows Vista I had no idea how things would snowball. Strong negative comments about Vista made in my blog by some early users lead Computerworld's Greg Keizer to look into early adopter perceptions in a subsequent Computerworld story.

ZDNet blogger Mary Jo Foley then picked up on that in her column, Vista: What ever happened to fast boot? "From the reaction on the Vista support forums, it doesn't seem like users are cottoning to Microsoft's sleep/hibernate Vista settings," she says.

Foley makes a good point. Microsoft used to brag about boot up times with previous versions. No more. It's a good thing that Microsoft decided not to go with the Rolling Stones "Start Me Up" marketing strategy when it launched Vista. The way these early adopters tell it, this dog won't hunt.

Then came Ed Bott's Is Vista really slow to start up?. Bott derided posts in this blog and in the Performance and Maintenance Forum, some of which were cited in Keizer's story, as "Testimonials from a bunch of guys on the Internets, complete with inflammatory quotes and a requisite helping of snark."

Bott criticized Keizer for not interviewing more early users outside of the online forums. Personally, I'm not to bothered by that. Certainly a story that gauges online user reaction to Vista has value, particularly at this early stage in the game. The online folks are what marketing folks like to call "thought leaders," not just a "bunch of guys on the Internet." Frankly, there just aren't a lot of Vista users to ask at this point. Until Vista reaches critical mass, these early users create the buzz, and the buzz -- rightly or wrongly -- is that Vista performance is disappointing.

Bott also took Computerworld to task for not running its own tests and turning what is a news story into a review. It's not our judgment that matters -- Computerworld is first and foremost about what users are saying in the real world. Such tests would be interesting, but it would be pretentious for a bunch of journalists to conduct some abstract tests and then tell users who bought into Vista that what they're seeing is wrong.

Bott's solution was to run his own tests by doing a clean install of XP and Vista on a single system in his office and time the boot up process. The differences, he concludes, are negligible. That's valid in the abstract, but represents one data point in a test lab setting.

Bott's results also coincide with Computerworld Windows expert Scot Finnie's opinions of Vista's performance overall. But Bott's results are by no means universal. According to a more in depth test by the CRN Test Center (Tech Analysis: Windows Vista Sucks Performance), Vista is not only slower to boot up, but underperformed XP in 18 of 24 tests, and totally sucked wind on six of those.

Both are abstract tests results that can be meaningless in the real world, where out of the box experience is all that matters. It doesn't matter if Vista truly does boot up as quickly as XP from a clean install if that's not what happens when the buyer brings home the machine as configured by HP or Emachines or Dell and turns it on.

My neighbor Kary doesn't know much about computers. She just needs one to create and print class schedules and save digital photos. Last week she brought home an HP Pavillion a1000 equipped with 1 GB of RAM, an Athon 64 3800+ processor and Windows Vista Home Premium preloaded. She had trouble almost immediately and brought it to my office the the other day for assistance. She says it's slower than her older XP machine. Should I tell her she's wrong? I turned on her machine and, as configured, it took just over two minutes to load Vista. For Kary, Vista has been a nightmare. I'll talk about why next time.

What People Are Saying

Vista is a dog. I would

Vista is a dog. I would avoid it if possible and stick with XP.

I have a Dell Laptop with

I have a Dell Laptop with Vista and will say the XP is a better operating system. It is just not compatable with enough of the applications I need. Skype for 1, The mic does not work properly. I have heard this also from some of my friends. Anyone know how to fix the mic problem other thatn switching to XP?

Hehe the Microsoft trolls

Hehe the Microsoft trolls are so funny!
Now back to reality..

My Fujitsu laptop came with XP and a free upgrade to Vista Business. I setup a dual boot and was plesantly surprized at how well Vista installed and handles the dual boot. (XP first then Vista works better than the other way around) Also all the Fujitsu Vista drivers have work well for me.

Turning on the Microsoft auto-patching kills it. After 4 wipe and reloads I've narrowed down that one of the new patches causes the Vista NTFS partition to become corrupt.

After all the patches up to May 1 have been applied, the system becomes unstable. Windows will eventually popup a window saying I can't access one file or another and I should run chkdsk. On reboot the chkdsk will automaticly run. It deletes thousands of index files and when it's done the partition is completly corrupted.

I like the look of Vista and it has some nice features and will be better than XP but not yet. I'll have to aggree with waiting for SP1 before recommending this to anyone.

Vista has been fine for me.

Vista has been fine for me. Looking at some of the previous posts I would suspect that Dell junkware may be the problem.

I bought a Dell laptop with Vista installed. Overall I am pleased with Vista. The two major problems I had were fixed by 1) uninstalling the junkware Dell installs, in particular one nasty program that made Outlook 2007 unusable, 2) installing the Vista USB patch, which for some reason was not installed when doing Windows Update.

Vista is designed to Sleep/Resume, not Turn-off/Reboot. So boot-up times are pretty much irrelevant. In any case, for what it's worth, Vista boots up much faster than my XP box, although the hardware and loaded services are different so a direct comparison isn't really valid.

I find it very interesting

I find it very interesting to read these ridiculous articles when I'm running Microsoft Windows Vista Business on a 3+ year old Toshiba Satellite A60-122 laptop smoothly, faster than I did XP on the very same machine.

Give your neighbor a Linux

Give your neighbor a Linux boot DVD, and have her try it out to see if she likes it.

Have done that: after being

Have done that: after being unsuccessful in trying to calibrate the microphone for Skype and uninstalling a program after reading a manual, that person today uses Vista and can't see Linux in front of the eyes.

Our company recently

Our company recently purchased new computers from Dell, the hardware was much faster than our 'old' computers running XP.

Vista boot - is appalling atleast 2 minutes (longer) than the 30 seconds XP takes.

Quite a few application are not compatible - or worse partly compatible.

Copy / Move / Delete of files is so slow we ended up burning DVD's than copying across our very fast gigabit network.

Also the raid controller is incompatible with Vista and thus corrupts disks, some of the drivers supplied by DELL do not work...

And this is just the start of our problems:

Windows Media Player 11 - crashes regularly.
IE7 - locks up every couple of hours.
On heavy usage we were rebooting - all our Vista machines an average of 3 hours.
The Backup/Restore feature did not work.
The Computer - Computer transfer did not work and crashed the Vista machine constantly.

Eventually we had our machines replaced and we have just installed XP on them. It works perfectly ok and we can now copy files at normal rates. (we have also dual booted them with Linux)

With regard to the extra features in Vista:

Search/Sidebar - Google Desktop is perfectly ok.
WMP11 / IE7 - are available for XP
Defender - available for XP
Vista Look and Feel - Windows Blinds
Photos - google Picasa2.
DVD burning - plenty of free or shareware software available.

Vista - has done one good thing for us though it has started us looking and using Linux in our office.

My advise wait for SP1 or better still SP2 for Vista before you jump in - remember the old saying "if it ain't broke don't fix it."

Vista boot is good on my

Vista boot is good on my not-so-fast 3+ year old Toshiba Satellite laptop, taking approximately less 15 seconds than XP would take on the same machine.

If quite a few application are not compatible - or worse partly compatible - learn about something wonderful called Compatibility Mode and, even better, virtualization.

Copy / Move / Delete of files bug was fixed already with a hotfix.

If the RAID controller is incompatible with Vista that's the controller's problem, not Vista's.

And that was just the start of your ignorant arguments:

Windows Media Player 11 - hasn't crashed me a single time
IE7 - hasn't locked me a single time
On heavy usage I reboot Vista once a day and only because I like and insist on doing it.
The Backup/Restore feature works wonderfully for me.
Computer transfer was, as I already mentioned, fixed with an hotfix.

Eventually you will have Vista again on them. It's proven to work better than XP and copies files at least as fast as XP does, with the hotfix (and you can dual boot with Linux too).

With regard to your other ignorant arguments:

Google Desktop - doesn't include search box in every window like Windows Search does.
WMP11/IE7 - don't have all the features on XP.
Defender - not as eficient on XP (add-on, not embedded on the OS).
Window Blinds - slows down your computer considerably, unlike Vista look and feel.
Google Picassa 2 - takes 10 times more time to open than Windows Photo Gallery.
DVD burning - any shareware or free software you get you have to install, DVD Maker comes with the OS.

Your comment - has done one good thing for us too, though: it has remembered us that it's always good for a company to have an IT guy that actually knows something about computers.

My advice: don't wait for any SP because Vista as it is is better than XP with SP2 - remember until Vista was released what you'd hear everyday was that XP was broke.

WebEx not compatible with

WebEx not compatible with Vista. Outlook performance diminishes

The biggest challenge with Vista for me is that it isn't compatible with WebEx. Webex represenatives say there aren't enought adopters to support it and the other issue is that the operating system doesn't accomodate web folders. Webex says only 9 percent of their customers have Vista, shame on me.

Another issue with Vista is that Outlook continues to crash and requires reinstalling. For me, this takes place every 3 to 4 weeks.

For now, I have to tell my friends and colleages to forget this operating system. XP is much better!