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Microsoft disses GPLv3 (and rocketman Kirk)

This is Thursday's IT Blogwatch: in which Microsoft squirms out of GPLv3's clutches, perhaps. Not to mention William Shatner "singing" Rocket Man...

It all began, when Microsoft last week "clarified" its position on the GPLv3:

Microsoft is not a party to the GPLv3 license and none of its actions are to be misinterpreted as accepting status as a contracting party of GPLv3 or assuming any legal obligations under such license.

While there have been some claims that Microsoft’s distribution of certificates for Novell support services, under our interoperability collaboration with Novell, constitutes acceptance of the GPLv3 license, we do not believe that such claims have a valid legal basis under contract, intellectual property, or any other law ... Microsoft does not grant any implied or express patent rights under or as a result of GPLv3, and GPLv3 licensors have no authority to represent or bind Microsoft in any way.

At this point in time, in order to avoid any doubt or legal debate on this issue, Microsoft has decided that the Novell support certificates that we distribute to customers will not entitle the recipient to receive from Novell, or any other party, any subscription for support and updates relating to any code licensed under GPLv3. [read more]

Pamela Jones grokked that and posted this:

Now that Microsoft has declared itself untouched by any GPLv3 terms, everyone is trying to figure out if they have a leg to stand on ... First, "distribution" isn't the issue with GPLv3. That is a GPLv2 question, as I'll show you. GPLv3 talks about "propagating" and "conveying", not just distribution ... if you read the marketing agreement between Novell and Microsoft ... what one got with the vouchers ... included software, upgrades, and support. No wonder Microsoft decided to pull the plug before any GPLv3 software began to be made available. I just don't know if that is enough to save them, since the vouchers they already sold have no expiration date.
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So now Microsoft has modified what you get with the vouchers, or tried to. Novell won't agree not to provide support for GPLv3 software, though, so that blunts the effectiveness of Microsoft's announcement ... Microsoft, by my analysis, still has to face what it will mean for them if even one such voucher is turned in after Novell begins to offer GPLv3 software ... Microsoft has in fact altered its behavior to try to avoid being impacted by GPLv3. So much for "we are not bound by GPLv3" ... Remember that Microsoft wasn't giving those vouchers away. It was selling them for a profit
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Now tell me Microsoft, had they not run for the exit, wouldn't have been distributing software under GPLv3, let alone conveying or propagating. Puh lease ... I think after reading all this, you can see why the company decided to try to scrape the Novell vouchers off of its shoes like toilet paper stuck to the bottom. But with the vouchers having no expiration dates, I really wonder if what they have done is enough. So when I read Microsoft's statement that it isn't bound by GPLv3, I'd call it hopeful optimism. [read more]

Cory Doctorow explains:

Great post explaining just how badly Microsoft shot itself in the foot when it set up Novell to grant licenses to the patents that Linux supposedly infringes upon. The idea was that Novell would give these licenses to its Linux customers, creating a climate of fear in corporate Linux users, who would worry that Microsoft might sue them for patent infringement.

The new version of the GPL turns this tactic on its head. It says that if you give any of your customers a license to a patent that pertains to GPLed software, you have to offer all Linux users the same terms. Now that Novell is giving out free licenses for Microsoft's patent portfolio to its customers, with Microsoft's blessing, it means that all Linux users get a free license to all Microsoft patents that cover Linux!  [read more]

Dominic Humphries dives in: [That's enough ruffty-tuffty in-jokes -Ed.]

Oh come ON! It was bad enough when various columnists were doing it. But now even PJ herself has done it: Tried to prove that MS is now bound by the GPL v3 by quoting chapter and verse of the GPL v3. For crying out loud! Are people so desperate to see MS trapped by the GPL that they're willing to throw their brains out the window to convince themselves that it's happened??
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Only if MS ... makes a legally-binding statement that they have accepted the terms of the GPL v3, do they become bound by its terms. Before that, they are under no onus to obey the terms, because they can claim to be illegally distributing pirate software.
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That being the case, let's look at these vouchers. MS sells vouchers for Novell's SuSe Linux. The GPL v3 says that this is enough to qualify as putting you under the GPL's terms. But that's irrelevant. It's copyright law that will determine when the GPL is in force, not the GPL itself. If the GPL could decide when it applies, we could expect GPL v4 to say "By using any GPL'd software, ever, you agree to open source all code you posess" [read more]

Dana Gardner shrugs:

One side says the license binds, the other says it does not. Between any resolution sits months or years, perhaps millions of dollars, and hoards of what my son calls Lawbots on Toontown. Maybe we should just throw gags at the lawyers and they will blow up and go away?
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The stakes could be quite high as this may escalate to a huge legal level … an industry wide event. Microsoft is no stranger to such long legal tussles, for sure ... In any event, Microsoft has achieved its near-term goals: Confuse the market and insert doubt about Linux and GPL usage, drag lawyers into every rack-mounted closet, increase the perceived risk of using open source code. Even if Microsoft has no legal footing (and I have no idea), they win on the perception clause.
Why? We can go from here only to more obfuscation and FUD ... Guess what Joe Procurement Officer at risk-averse Enterprise XYZ will say: “Play it safe. Wait. Pay Microsoft for Windows and pay Microsoft for Linux. Next.” [read more]

Jordan Ledoux wonders if it matters:

How could it possibly stop Microsoft from doing anything they do as long as no one has the money or the reason to take them to court over it and see it through completion. IBM is the only company I can think of that would really have both, and Microsoft isn't stupid enough to violate any of IBM's licenses, nor is it strategically positive for IBM to place themselve directly against Microsoft right now either.

Otherwise, who are we really expecting to take Microsoft to court? Novell? The Free Software Foundation? Please... Microsoft has been stalling the sum total of *Europe* for almost half a decade, if you think Novell or the FSF is going to force Microsoft to comply witht eh GPL you're delusional. [read more]

But Alioth counters:

No. The point of this isn't so that someone can sue Microsoft, it's so that Microsoft has a hard time suing free software users and firms over alleged patent violations. [read more]

And Xenographic adds:

Did everyone but me forget just how BROAD copyright law is? It covers loads of cr*p. Just like I can't sell warez vouchers for Joe'z Warez Sitez which happen to be hosted in a copyright-hostile country and claim no liability, you can't "procure the conveyance" of GPLv3 software as a license dodge any more. Yes, you COULD dodge like that under the GPLv2, but only because the GPLv2 said you didn't need permission for anything but distribution. But not any more, because the GPLv3 forbids it and copyright law says you need permission.

The rules have changed, folks. The GPLv3 is stronger, because it takes advantage of the ridiculously strong copyright laws that are so prevalent. But it really shouldn't matter much unless you ... planned to undermine people with weird software patent threats. [read more]

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One can only hope that

One can only hope that Microsoft's unwholesome business practices continue to backfire.

>> Guess what Joe

>> Guess what Joe Procurement Officer at risk-averse Enterprise XYZ will say: "Play it safe. Wait. Pay Microsoft for Windows and pay Microsoft for Linux. Next."

Agreeing with an earlier poster (but not with this Dana Gardner quote), I think every risk-averse company flushed with cash should pay Microsoft for Windows and for Linux. Then pay IBM for Windows and for Linux. Then pay Novell for Windows and for Linux. Then pay Farmer Bob and Betty Ann for Windows and for Linux (Bob has a patent on something or other and Betty has written lots of stuff before).

All of these are sources of potential liabilities and the risk-averse business should pay everybody.. for every possible infringement or lawsuit they may find themselves in... Or, they can take a small risk that Microsoft will not sue to get money for Linux else a bunch of people would fly out of the woodworks with VC and attorney in hand to sue Microsoft for every single piece of software Microsoft makes and as well sue all/any of the users of any Microsoft software.

Or the risk-averse B can just get some insurance and pay no one but the insurance company.

As for ignoring Microsoft's EULA as someone else suggested (not in jest), you can try to return the software and say you never used it. Then it becomes a matter of the vendor not abiding and you suing them (or simply making a PR nightmare stir). If you state you did use it but under no EULA, then copyright infringement might mean you would pay less than the actual cost of the software (IANAL) but likely you would have to pay court costs (I think Title 17 covers this) which would be more expensive than the cost of the software.

A better way to resolve that issue (instead of suing) seems to be to write to the local newspaper, post online repeatedly, start a website, and call the local TV news station. If you are a good writer and promoter and website maker or get help from those that are and if you present a good case, then I think this avenue will lead to a refund faster and easier than going to small claims court (or at least it might be more rewarding as it would make others aware they too might be able to seek justice -- you'd be their hero).

I notice that no one has

I notice that no one has highlighted what any customer should seek clarification for that was put forward by Mr Mettler at lamlaw.com

Your lawyers should be asking both Novell and Microsoft where and from whom they got their authority to distribute the goods to you? And do they promise to indemnify you for any patent [or] copyright violations as they may appear?



These questions should be asked of a vendor by anyone intending to transact any business with anyone, and as he comments, buying software for your office should be a lot more important than getting a hot stereo off the street.

I like this statement.

I like this statement.

“Only if MS ... makes a legally-binding statement that they have accepted the terms of the GPL v3, do they become bound by its terms.”

I think that it should also apply to all of Microsoft's shrink wrapped and “click-thru” licenses. Then the simple act of using the software would in no way obligate the user to comply with the license any more than Microsoft is obligated by the GPLv3 just because they have acted in a manner that under the GPLv3 license obligates them.

I'll bet that Microsoft doesn't like my extension of their claim of “not being bound” to their licenses.

It's all getting so-oo

It's all getting so-oo complicated that it's only a matter of time before somebody makes a serious mistake and stitches himself up badly. Watch this site, no doubt ...