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The H-1B Battle: The war within IEEE

 

American engineers are feeling the sting of a stab in their backs from America's largest engineering society, IEEE (The Institute of Electrical and Electronic Engineers).

Last year IEEE-USA (the lobbying arm of IEEE) called upon engineers from all around the country to fly in to Washington D.C. to ask their Senators and Congressmen not to raise the cap on H-1B visas.

Once all the engineers sat down for a pre-lobby meeting, the chief IEEE-USA lobbyist, R.T. Harrison began explaining that what engineers should ask their representatives for is EB and F-4 visas instead of H-1B visas.  EB and F-4 visas are a form of legal immigration for high-tech workers.  Most engineers became upset and started to argue why they should ask for more green cards instead of asking for less H-1B guest workers.  They argued that in both cases, American engineers are getting undercut by foreign labor. 

Then the IEEE-USA lobbyist explained that legal immigration is better for American engineers because it takes "much longer" to process.  So this would put the potential H-1B engineers on the slow track of legal immigration, which will give IEEE-USA time to lobby in favor of American engineers.  He said that it is safer for America because legal immigrants must go through a rigorous background check for ties to terrorism.  He argued that it is better for the foreign nationals and it is better for Americans.

Most of the engineers were confused but believed that IEEE-USA was looking out for their best interests.  After all, nobody else seems to even care about American engineering careers.  So off they went to speak with congressional representatives or their staffers about this new EB and F-4 agenda, hoping that it will bring some relief to their career problems. 

Some activists warned that IEEE was using the engineers as pawns to push legal immigration for engineers in addition to guest worker programs.  At the time, it was hard for most to believe that such a conspiracy existed.  Now, almost a year later it is revealed that the chief proponent of H-1B visas, the SIA (Semiconductor Industry Association) has joined with IEEE-USA to support more green cards for foreign nationals with the caveat that they are fast-tracked.  In other words, any foregn national who has a job offer at the time of graduation, gets an instant green card.

 

American engineers feel betrayed.  Is it possible that IEEE used these engineers as pawns as part of a grander scheme?

Suddenly this slow-track green card alternative to H-1B guest visas has turned into an instant green card for every STEM (Science, Technology, Engineering and Math) graduate.

When asked for a statement, the IEEE-USA lobbyist, Mr. Harrison said that IEEE-USA's position is to favor legal immigration over guest workers.  In fact, they want to convert all 500,000 H-1B visa holders to green card holders as soon as possible.  So not only do they want to staple a green card to every foreign national graduating with a degree in engineering and computer science, they also want to grant immediate citizenship to all the guest workers already in the U.S.

The message to American students is do NOT study math, science or engineering.  The message to American engineers is that you are not represented by IEEE or anybody else.   And if you are over 40, find another way to make a living.

Why are American engineers and computer scientists being singled out for extinction?  Why aren't they allowed to make a decent wage based on supply and demand like every other professional?   Who is trying to discourage American citizens from entering STEM fields?  Why would any American company pursue such an unpatriotic path?

The corporation

How did corporations convince IEEE to betray their own members? 

After, the article titled "IEEE-USA vs. Bill Gates" was printed; a delegation of top Microsoft representatives went to IEEE.   They told IEEE that they contribute financially to many IEEE programs and asked why IEEE-USA is fighting Microsoft on the H-1B issue.  At the time, IEEE-USA representatives told Microsoft representatives that the H-1B issue was what engineers indicated was their most important issue.  At the time, Ralph Wyndrum of IEEE told this author that they stood up to Microsoft to defend its members.  What happened since then?

There is a documentary called, "The Corporation" which explains how corporations are living entities that exist only to make a profit.   They have no national pride, no civic duty, no conscience, and no heart.   The documentary shows how corporations have actually poisoned American citizens in the past without remorse because it was profitable.

When Michael Douglas' character in the movie Wallstreet said "Greed is good", it was a shock to the public at the time.  The movie centered on a hostile takeover that sought to lay off thousands of Americans just because it was profitable in the short-term to do so.  At the time this was a controversial method of business.  Now it is common business practice.

After two decades, this short-sighted business practice has left most companies short of brainpower and completely lacking civic responsibility.

What affect does this have on the nation's youth?  Do they feel valued or do they value others?  Is there such a thing as right or wrong anymore?    Or has right and wrong been replaced by legal and illegal, or worse, what you can and cannot get away with?

Corporations want cheaper foreign engineers for short term gain.  Doing this discourages American citizens from studying math and science.  American citizens will lose interest in these fields, and then what is left for them?.  If we allow American corporations to undercut American engineers in this way, natural-born Americans will eventually end up being just a bunch of paper-pushers with no ability to create or build anything.

Does America exist anymore?

Is it possible that there is no country called America, that the world is truly flat?  Is it possible that there is just an agglomeration of super-wealthy international corporations who claim to be American companies but are actually countries without borders?  Do these corporations care about America or the American people?  Do they control America?

Are we really fighting Islamo-facist terrorism?  A large percentage of H-1B holders and potential F-4 holders are Muslims from Southeast Asia.  Most are peaceful people who want to immigrate to America for a better life just like everyone else.  But it is easy to see that terrorists from Southeast Asia will try to use this fast track visa to enter this country to do harm to American citizens.  Did we forget that many of the 9/11 terrorists were here on student visas?

How can IEEE-USA even consider such an absurd proposal?  

Is there any American company or organization that cares about encouraging America's young people to endeaver to be smarter?

IDIOCRACY

News like this is making its way to America's youth and enrollment in engineering, mathematics and computer science has plummeted.  Young Americans do not want to study so hard for a career that is under siege by the most powerful forces in society.

There is a movie called "Idocracy" which shows the world getting more and more stupid because society does not reward intelligence.  This is what is happening to America now.

If intelligent Americans do not pursue STEM degrees (Science, Technology, Engineering and Math), we will eventually crumble under our own weight.  Ask engineers if they would encourage their own children to study engineering and you will get frightening responses. 

How long can America depend on others to build our roads, our planes, our buildings, our software and everything else?  Remember that it was Roman engineering that built the empire, but it was Roman debauchery that destroyed it.

The movie, "Idiocracy" is a comedy, but what is happening to American engineers right now is a tragedy.

The movie also shows how corporations have completely taken over America's government.  It is a not-so-subtle statement about what is happening today.

The United Corporations of America

This is no longer a battle for the H-1B visa cap.  The H-1B visa cap is now moot because there are so many other fast-track proposals to bring in foreign engineers, computer scientists and other high-tech professionals.  Other professions are next.  Nurses, doctors, accountants and every other profession are also being targeted. This is now a fight for the heart and soul of America and what it stands for.

There are some people who are truly fighting for the rights of high-tech workers and other American professionals.  Lou Dobbs of CNN and Kim Berry of the Programmers Guild have been trying to bring this issue to the public.  Marcus Courtney of Washtech has also been trying to raise awareness.   Other labor organizations such as AFL-CIO, CWA, Compete American Workers, The American Engineering Association, TORAW, and Techsunite, are also fighting the good fight.

All these organizations are asking the government to do is stay out of the engineering business.  Allow supply and demand to take effect.  When engineering and computer science salaries go up, students will flock to those fields, and engineers who have left will return.  Corporations do not need welfare from the United states government and the government should not be in bed with American corporations.  This is not "The United Corporations of America".  This is a country founded on the the principles, "by the people" and "for the people". 

All Americans want is their country back.  Sadly, this is an uphill battle.  Only the American voters can possibly save high-tech workers of the present and of the future.

The 2008 election cycle

Do Americans watch their country get sold out to the lowest bidder or do they get politically active?  Do Americans allow corporations to control our country like some invisble politbureau or do we stand up and fight with our only weapon, our votes? 

Take two prominent U.S. Senators who are up for re-election in 2008 as an example.  Senator Cornyn (R-TX) has been pushing for increases to the H-1B guest worker visa cap for many years while Senator Durbin (D-IL) has been fighting to protect American engineers by investigating H-1B fraud and abuse. 

American high-tech workers can use their internet skills to make sure that Senator Cornyn's constituents know that he is betraying American workers, and they can help Senator Durbin by letting the public know that he is protecting American citizens.  It is up to the voters to decide who they want to represent them, and it is up to all of us to spread the truth to the voters.  Through web postings, message boards, emails and other methods the average American can have a powerful impact on these elections, regardless of where they reside.  They can do this by using the internet which, by the way, was invented in America by American engineers.

This 2008 election cycle is a test for all American voters, corporations and politicians to see who will be holding the flag when it is over. 

God bless us America!  We'll need the help.

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What People Are Saying

Pro visa folks are saying as

Pro visa folks are saying as more visas would benefit US Economy. It is interesting to see US economy without Americans! Full nonsense.

H1 visa holders are abused

H1 visa holders are abused in worst possible way. My employer does not send me my pay stub, does not pay agreed upon compensation, does send my H1 papers or other legal papers he is required to send. H1 papers are required to prove my status and pay stub is required to switch the jobs. On demanding the pay stub or salary I got the veiled threat that my green card application will be stopped. The money I get not enough to run family expenses. In India, those who wish to come to USA on H1 visa are paid less, made to work hard and many extra hours. This encourages outsourcing. In USA consulting companies pay $20 to $40 an hour to a H1 holder and bill clients for $100 to $150 per hour. This profit is possible only if the employee is H1 holder. Therefore there will always be shortage of engineers. THE COMPANIES DO NOT WANT AMERICANS TO LEARN SCIENCE AND TECHNOLOGY AS THEIR BUSINESS MODEL THAT BASED ON H1 VISA BRINGS BEST RETURNS WITHOUT ANY RISK. Just think in last 15 years how many companies lobbied for increased spending on science education or engineering.

No offense to the author of

No offense to the author of this article, but this is a load of crap.

The issues you've mentioned? They account more for the immigrant population, than the locals. God knows, you might have taken all real life issues with immigrants, and substituted them for Americans, instead! I've been working with immigrants, not to mention, outsourcing work to other countries, and I can draw some definite parallels between what you've written and what I've seen.

Americans, on the other hand, have always worked well and responded well, which is key in my line of business.

So I would say: review your facts before you write something on such a high profile subject.

I for one, would elect for a more intelligent implementation of the H1-B debacle and have said as much, here:

http://beta.resourcepad.com/articles/Why_Not_To_Increase_H1B_Visas/18

Jack.

For a few years, I've been a

For a few years, I've been a fervent observer and reader of H1B information. Nowhere have I ever seen a hateful, lying, anti-American scribe like this. This article contains no hard references, no credibility checks--nothing to substantiate the claims. Computerworld has always been a liberal ant-American publication, but this one wins the prize. Pure fabrication, from beginning to end.

Two observations.. This is

Two observations..

This is in South Florida, what do you expect? It was a foreign country to me back in 1986. I haven't been back since. I know 2 people from down that way that would never move back (They are both business owners).

I have no objection to legal immigration, but the H1B program has been proven as totally fradulent. It's gotten to the point where all immigration should be stopped for 1 year just so we can catch our national breaths.

I am asian and have had

I am asian and have had professional working experiences with Indian, Chinese, Filipino, Malaysian, Australian, British peers, superiors, and subordinates. IMHO, there will be good and ‘bad’ workers regardless of race or nationality. However, in general, there seem to be certain ethnic ‘traits’ that characterize the different races of the world. To me, it usually seems to depend on their primary motivations for work, and definitions of 'excellence' & 'success'...
The paragraph relating to the credit card abuse should be centered entirely on the ethics of the workers, and not, as the author implies, the race.

In engineering, teams of

In engineering, teams of American contract engineers are often pitted against teams of Indian outsource engineers. Periodically they would have meetings with all the engineers and display progress charts on a screen. An engineering manager once pointed to the charts and asked why do the Indian engineers consistently outperform the American engineers doing the same work.

Translation: The Indian team rushed through their goals with little to no planning or testing. The American team was forced to stop working on their own part of the project because the work they received from the Indian team was worthless, and needed to be redone.

Management put a higher priority on checking off little boxes, than developing a worth while product. After all, the consumers(suckers) will have to buy more often if it keeps breaking.

In engineering, teams of

In engineering, teams of American contract engineers [bodies shopped] are often pitted against teams of Indian out-source engineers [bodies shopped across borders]. Periodically they would have meetings with all the engineers and display progress charts on a screen. An engineering manager once pointed to the charts and asked why do the Indian engineers consistently out-perform the American engineers doing the same work.

Progress charts aren't production, unless you're in the business of producing charts, in which case you should measure productivity by numbers and quality of charts produced. If you want people to produce software, you should measure functionality, features working properly. Even before the MBO fad, we knew that improper goals will generate a lot of work to achieve the inappropriate goals whose achievement is rewarded, and do nothing for the quality of product. So, people from a rote culture are bound to meet the rote measures, and do little of creative worth to actually improve the product.

And it's plain to see in my charts and market observations that those executives are failing to meet the standards I've set of producing better products through the efforts of full-time permanent US citizen employees.
http://www.kermitrose.com/jgoEconData.html

The first sentence reveals

The first sentence reveals the overt bias inherent in the article. Of course business owners would rather exploit workers who cost less, work more, and have no alternative, so they won't complain or leave. That doesn't make it right. This attitude is a return to the robber barons of last century, that gave rise to the union movement.

What nonsense to believe that such self-serving anecdotes reflect anything more than the dreams of higher profit for owners. A similarly one-sided article could be written about how businesses take advantage of their workers, pay exorbitant executive compensation, then complain that they can't compete because workers are lazy and expect a living wage. This is a shameful example of yellow dog journalism.

Hmm. The only thing that

Hmm. The only thing that stands out to me is that the management involved in each of the stories is highlighting their own incompetence. It sounds like they aren't qualified to do their own jobs. Instead of learning the proper skills needed, they prefer to hire employees that come from a culture that enables them to cover up that lack.