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Preston Gralla

Seeing Through Windows

Comcast: We won't reveal download limits

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Comcast claims that it will not ban downloaders after they download 90 GB in a month --- but they confirm that they do have bandwidth limits, although refuse to detail exactly what those limits are.

Last week, I blogged about the 90 GB limit. In response, Charlie Douglas, Comcast's Director of Corporate Communications got in touch with me, telling me that there is no 90 GB limit. But in a lengthy phone call, he wouldn't say exactly what the limits are.

Douglas is a good guy, trying to defend a very bad policy -- in fact, an indefensible one. When repeatedly asked what the download limit is for people before Comcast blackballs them, he would only say that Comcast will ban "customers that use an excessive amount of bandwidth," who download more than do 99.99% of other Comcast customers, and who the company considers "outliers" because of their excessive bandwidth use.

The limit, he said, was the equivalent of 30,000 songs a month or 13 million emails a month. But when I asked how they came up with those figures --- did they calculate how large an average music file is, or estimate how much bandwidth is taken up by an average email --- he would not provide any details.

He said that the company looks for "patterns of repeated, excessive use," and that when it finds them, it notifies the offending customer. No one, he said, is kicked off Comcast without first getting a notice so that they can change their download use. He added that customers are often pleased to get the notice, because their machines may have been taken over in a zombie attack, and this alerts them that they have a compromised computer.

Comcast bans big downloaders because they affect the experience of other people on its network by taking away their bandwidth, he said. The company, he explained, wanted to make sure that the 99.99% of people who weren't big downloaders have as much bandwidth as possible.

I believe that Comcast has every right to set download limits, and charge customers who exceed that limit, or ban those who regularly exceed the limits. But in order to do that, the company also have to let people know exactly what those limits are. Without clearly published rules, what Comcast is doing is patently unfair.

What People Are Saying

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Thanks for letting me know I

Thanks for letting me know I was going to get Comcast.

Downloads from NetFlix will certainly eat this up

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I game and am online for

I game and am online for HOURS at a time. I used to have Time Warner as an ISP but Comcast has recently taken over. Would my bandwidth usage "exceed" this limit? After reading this article it could explain why my connection drops every 20 minutes and my connection speeds have dropped to a crawl.
That's COMCASTIC!

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I sure wish these companies

I sure wish these companies would meter and rate limit usage at peak times, not bits per day/week/month, since that's what really costs them money (the size of their pipes and other infrastructure to deal with their peak periods). A lot of sophisticates who includ in the sorts of people who run up against Comcast's secret limits would I assume be glad to schedule around peak periods (when a new Linux release comes out, I want it "soon", but I can wait a while).

And, yeah, while we know why Comcast is coy (the limit is supposed to be based on your neighborhood's current capacity and usage, their required buildout pattern is much more ugly than for DSL), it's utterly indefensible, and it's a sure sign of an insufficiently competitive marketplace that they can get away with it.

People pay good money for fixed price plans so that they don't have to worry about variable costs or in this case an apparantly random death penalty. It's insane to fight against that.

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Many/Most ISP's have these

Many/Most ISP's have these limits but don't publish them to customers. Some will reduce your allowed bandwidth to a crawl when you've hit this "unpublished" limit and never tell the customer. Your regular bandwidth may not return for days/weeks until you're average bandwidth usuage is a few dozen percentage points below their limit. If you're a big downloader and having to reboot your DSL or cable modem a lot then your ISP may have their systems set to drop the connection for a few minutes when you exceed this limit and the modem can't recover automatically.

I know this because I used to work for an ISP an saw it first hand.