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First Linux patent lawsuit filed against Red Hat and Novell

Well, it was bound to happen: Linux vendors Red Hat and Novell have been sued for patent infringement. Groklaw is reporting that on Tuesday, the two companies were sued by IP Innovation LLC and Technology Licensing Corp. for violating three patents having to do with windowing user interfaces.

The lawsuit represents the first test of what happens when open source collides with patents, and it's interesting for a couple reasons. First, notice that all the other Linux vendors are missing from the defendants list, most notably IBM. That could be because IBM has already licensed the patents in a different context. (In June, Apple settled a patent infringement lawsuit with the same plaintiffs over at least one of the patents involved here.)

And second, though the plaintiff's parent company has some former Microsoft execs among its executives, this suit doesn't seem to fit in with Steve Ballmer's most recent round of "Linux owes us money" bluster. Earlier this month, Ballmer told an audience in London that Red Hat Linux users "have an obligation to compensate us" -- presumably hoping to push Red Hat to join Novell in licensing Microsoft intellectual property for use in Linux.

Well, that patent deal doesn't seem to have kept Novell from joining Red Hat as a defendant in this case. Hardly seems like Novell is being rewarded for doing the Microsoft deal, does it?

Will the suit hold up? It's too soon to tell, especially with the U.S. Supreme Court's new standards for obviousness. Stay tuned.

What People Are Saying

The software its defined by

The software its defined by a series of logical lines of thoughts, expressed in bits that are executed by a computer. The computer and the software are only the media to accomplish the thoughts, so.... why to let the big companys take all they can by means of a softwware patent ?
Software patents are anti-natural to the free human thoughts expression and human knowledge development.

Project

Project Athena:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Athena
Andrew Project:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Project

"Well, that patent deal

"Well, that patent deal doesn't seem to have kept Novell from joining Red Hat as a defendant in this case. Hardly seems like Novell is being rewarded for doing the Microsoft deal, does it?"

I'm not so sure this isn't a gift to Novell. Novell already has a patent deal with Microsoft. I am sure that for a few million, Novell can cut a similar deal with IP Innovation LLC, for less than the cost of litigation, and they can idemnify Suse Linux users, leaving US Linux competitors out in the cold. Make no mistake, Novell considers Red Hat a competitor. It probably won't make much more of a difference to the Linux programming community than was already done with the Microsoft deal.

What I am interested in, is IP Innovation LLC going to enlist the BSA to go after all users identified as using Linux based on their IP address the same way the RIAA is going after music down loaders?

This is Prior Art: The

This is Prior Art: The patent is extremely similar to what Sun and Motif have had for ages. Before that, we had DEC workstations run X with similar UI. I need to go back and look at the descriptions of what the Sun workstations and Motif display systems were using. Anyone got the old manuals/user guides? I don't believe that Sun, HP(UX) and AIX patented the stuff. Motif most probably was not after a patent pool either.

The patent claims should fall into the domain of prior art.
Wanted: Old manuals/user guides.

You're exactly right about

You're exactly right about prior art.

Take a look: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X_Window_System

So why aren't they suing

So why aren't they suing Apple, IBM, Sun, and EVERYONE else that is infringing on this so-called "patent"?!

Novell will get some $$

Novell will get some $$ under the table from Microsoft and then will announce a settlement, leaving Red Hat alone to deal with Microsoft's newest sock puppet.

well... I'm curious how the

well... I'm curious how the court will interpret the patent. Honestly, the description sounds pretty ambiguous.

There really needs to be a stricter take on patents regarding software. Currently, a very vague and general description can be filed for UIs, and that is just plain stupidity, and lack of understanding from the patent issuing authorities...or at least there was in the past. If they have become more strict regarding such patents, then the older ones should be revised, or given only limited validity.

This concerns everyone, not just the linux community. It's just that linux is more vulnerable, and less likely to license anything. All other mainstream OS vendors seem to have obtained such licenses from the plaintiff.

Seems like the E.U.

Seems like the E.U. Commission got it right: software should not be patented.

They attacked our linux

They attacked our linux community..
Weapons in hands, boys!!
Lock and load!!