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Don Tennant

Stirring IT Up

The perplexity of online incivility and ignorance

In an editorial titled "Incivility Creep" that I wrote earlier this year, I expressed my concern about the fact that we've been conditioned to accept, and even expect, a disturbingly low standard of civility online. "What's especially harmful about that," I wrote, "is the natural and inevitable incivility creep that is permeating other dimensions of our lives."

I can't remember writing anything that has drawn more incivility and ignorance than my recent Editor's Note titled "Using Women." One of the most stunning examples is an e-mail I received on Saturday from Robert Ostman of Severn, Maryland. Here is the full text of Mr. Ostman's e-mail:

Nice try Don, but women are not going to flock to your "manly but sensitive" door ready to give themselves to you. The jig is up on the "sex and drugs and rock-n-roll" generation's attempt at telling everyone they cannot do what we did. The politically correct manure wagon ran off the trail and over the cliff. People are no longer willing to let the news media tell them what is acceptable and what is not. If naked women offend you, then you and your boyfriend should leave. We don't really care what offends who. The world can't, because a cure for cancer would offend someone. If I have offended anyone, place your thumbs (assuming you have thumbs) in the appropriate areas, wait a minute, then switch! Grow up, sex sells. Always has and always will. It seems real men enjoy the semi-nude female figure, and it took a company from the U.K. to put it back and say it is okay to be a normal man. America, you are such a mess. So are you, Don.

What Mr. Ostman was responding to is a column about female IT professionals being subjected to an attitude of dismissiveness at a major IT conference when a vendor at the conference used two scantily-clad women to attract a crowd that its strategy clearly defined as male. Why on earth would that position elicit such a mean-spirited response?

To his enormous credit, at least Mr. Ostman had the courage and conviction to identify himself. It would have been very easy for him to hide in the shadows of anonymity in expressing his view, as far too many people do. But consider the view he expressed: "If naked women offend you, then you and your boyfriend should leave. We don't really care what offends who ... It seems real men enjoy the semi-nude female figure, and it took a company from the U.K. to put it back and say it is okay to be a normal man."

That is so ignorant on so many levels that it's almost a caricature of narrow-mindedness and insensitivity. I am left to wonder: Into what other dimensions of Mr. Ostman's life does this incivility and ignorance creep?

What People Are Saying

Past postings

Don,

Nov 5, 2007. I follow you so closely that I finally got around to reading an article I responded to last year.

You missed the point entirely. I guess I put excessive faith in your intelligence. Sorry. I guess I will just consider the source and take the insults from you as a complement.

You may want to understand your incoming emails before insulting people. There are MAJOR clues within the email, Don, that suggest the reply was meant to be in jest, that the author agreed that women should be treated with respect, that only cave dwellers would think otherwise. Do you honestly think ANYONE could think along the lines my email suggested; at least anyone who could read your ramblings? Well, no reasonable person would, I assure you. So let me thank you for spitting on my name in a public forum. Even if you do finally figure it out, I do not wish to be bothered with an apology from you. You insulted me quite severely over something you missed entirely, in a public forum, without even consulting with me to insure it was sincere. You are in the same class as that fool on television who gathers family together to incite riot within, then stands back with the other jackals and watches the jocularities. Therefore, allow me to stoop so low as to say, up yours, Don.

At least most people understood it to be in jest. There may be hope for society yet, but without assistance from those on your intelligential level, I assure you.

Indeed, I am not afraid to give my name. Had anyone harmed me or my family due to your public agitation regarding something you obviously are not intelligent enough to understand (or maybe you did and just wanted to play the part of the intellect you think you are), I'm not quite sure what actions I may have taken, Don. However, I can assure you there would have been ramifications in some form. Think about that before you trash someone else whose writings pass-over-your-head, and whom you put in a danger that they are not even aware of, Don. You got lucky this time. Also, be very thankful I am not the person who you thought I was. That type of person may have visited you, in person. Rest assured, Don, I do not intend to visit you, now or ever. I do not even plan to read your column, being the unfortunate drivel it is.

Robert Ostman
Severn, MD

Concerned

Bob,

This reply to you is NOT in jest; I am being completely serious.

I am worried about you. Your words indicate that you are probably someone who needs psychotherapy. You need to be properly evaluated by a professional who will tell you if you need help. Remember that EVERYBODY can benefit at least a little from therapy. Your family will definitely benefit from you getting therapy.

Even if you are absolutely sure that you don't need help, please get an evaluation anyway. I was in denial for over 20 years before I was willing to give therapy a try. One of the reasons that I "knew" that I was OK for so many years was that people kept using that denial word. That word makes it seem like I knew that I was sick but would not admit it. Denial simply means that every time someone says, "You need help," you respond with, "No, I'm OK."

Adios, Bob

I'm not sure any publication would lament the loss of a reader like you, Bob. The offensiveness of the email referenced in Don's column is overwhelming. I cannot see any of the so-called "MAJOR clues" that it was in jest, and I looked -- three painful times.

If indeed, your email's intended message was one of humor and jest, then perhaps a rational explanation would have been more effective. Instead, you post an impotent, threat-filled comment which appears to be designed to incite one of those staged family riots to which you refer. In spite of your assurance that do not intend to “visit” Don, you are scary. Your assumption that the posting of your email in an editorial could incite some sort of violence against you or your family does not support your claim that it was in jest, in fact it does the opposite. Seems to me you're just trying to backpedal and cover your jerkness. I'm going anonymous here because you're scary.

Bob, give Jerry Springer a big howdy from Don and me next time you see him.

I'm very happy to leave it to our readers ...

... to decide whether I was off base, and whether this denial is plausible.

I'm in complete agreement

I'm in complete agreement with your original column, and I might add that the "boxing theme", while not offensive, was dumb enough sounding to set the context for some real junk like the "ring girls". Still, though, dumb is one thing, exploitative and disrespectful is quite another.