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A Daily Digest of IT Blogs from Richi Jennings

Opera vs. Microsoft: more EU antitrust antagonism (and USBwine)

It's IT Blogwatch: in which Opera complains about Microsoft to Euro. antitrust authorities. Not to mention how to download wine...

Gregg Keizer reports:

Norwegian browser maker Opera ASP took a page from an American playbook yesterday as it complained to European Union antitrust regulators ... Opera claimed Microsoft continues to abuse its dominant position on the desktop ... and hinders interoperability by not following accepted Web standards. [more]

Mike Magee peers deeper:

Somewhat unsurprisingly, the object of [Opera's] ire was the Redmond Vole (Microtus Redmondia Avarice) ... [It] asked the Commission to oblige Microsoft to unbundle Internet Explorer ... [and] to require Microsoft to "follow fundamental and open Web standards accepted by the Web-authoring communities". [more]

Peter G. Klein fiddles while Rome burns:

Opera is an innovative company that makes a fine web browser and has a devoted following ... So I was dismayed to learn that Opera has adopted the "if you can't beat 'em, file an antitrust suit against 'em" approach to its dealings with Microsoft ... really, haven't we been through all this already? [more]

Paul Smith calls it, "utter madness":

This has got to be the dumbest thing I've heard in years ... Mr Jon von Tetzchner, and friends. You're a disgrace to the computer industry. Why don't you stop trying to make everybody's lives 50 times more complicated and actually develop a decent browser, one which people will want to install themselves. [more]

Erna Mahyuni is more even-handed:

I don’t see how Microsoft can ship an OS without a browser so getting them to unpack IE would be hard to justify ... But making Microsoft give in to the whole premise of web standards and no longer have sites that proclaim to need IE to run would even out the playing field somewhat. [more]

Reap Cid Highwind:

They might want to specify that Microsoft should be compelled to follow published w3c standards, not just accepted standards. The "standards accepted by the Web-authoring communities" today are pretty much "Code everything for IE6. If there's free time after that's done and the pub isn't open yet, test in Firefox". [more]

And devjj is normally a fan of free markets:

But in this case the obviously inferior and downright broken product is winning, and it's got nothing to do with price. Two words: market failure. [more]

'Cos AmaDaden's dreaming of a white Christmas: [You fool -Ed.]

I am currently doing some web development work ... I run our pages on IE, FireFox, Safari, and Opera. By far IE is the BIGGEST pain in the ass. Why? It does not follow the standards at all. It just laughs at you. "oh you want that over there. Haha that's funny. Keep dreaming." It flat out ignores some HTML ... So what happens? People have started to code to IE and just IE. [more]

Here's Paul Thurrott, with a reference that the Europeans won't understand:

Fun with Headlines ... Opera complains to EU about Microsoft -- They're the New York Jets of the technology world ... Get over yourself, it's fun. [more]

And finally...

Buffer overflow:

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Richi Jennings is an independent analyst/adviser/consultant, specializing in blogging, email, and spam. A 20 year, cross-functional IT veteran, he is also an analyst at Ferris Research. You too can pretend to be Richi's friend on Facebook, or just use boring old email: blogwatch@richi.co.uk.

Previously in IT Blogwatch:

What People Are Saying

Two words: Get Real

What kind of an OS would ship WITHOUT a browser ?
Gee, how come I don't see such a case presented against say.. APPLE??? I'm a neutral party, I'm the party that supports the USER, so I'm not devoted to any company.. ANY OS ships with it's own browser: Windows with IE, Apple with Safari.. Personally in my opinion both mentioned browsers are as useless as each other: IE with all it's known problems and Safari with all its "Apple limitations" (problem with Apple is that it makes it's products good, but NOT superior).
I myself use Firefox, what turned me to it was it's superiority, I'd tried Opera before but it wasn't to my liking, Firefox's just better.
So here's a small point to Opera: Stop being such a Netscape and move on, build better products and good publicity will just overrule user dumbness.

"What kind of an OS would

"What kind of an OS would ship WITHOUT a browser ?"

Opera isn't asking that Windows be shipped without a browser. It's asking to give users actual alternatives.

"Gee, how come I don't see such a case presented against say.. APPLE???"

Because they are not in a dominant position in the desktop market, and have not abused their dominance there to prevent competition in the browser market.

"Stop being such a Netscape and move on, build better products and good publicity will just overrule user dumbness."

No it won't. Firefox only has about 15% globally after a decade of "good publicity and better products", mostly thanks to Google paying people to download it.

___This is about much more

___This is about much more than just browsers...

...It's MS's sneaky way to keep control..

Amir said: ...Firefox's just better....Opera: build better products and good publicity will just overrule user dumbness.

__I prefer Firefox too, but your market understanding is contradicted by any number of counter-examples, not the least of which is that the IE you despise is still so dominant.

There is no question at all that OS/2 was a better product than all the MS Windows operating systems, yet Gates' company outdid them all.

Among those who know it, i5/OS beats the whallop out of every other server OS out there, with all its security options, user settings, integrated database, development accomodation, network support, single-level storage from the inception of its IBM midrange predecessors, applications and developer resources, unparalleled uptime stability and unbeated retro-compatibility (upgrades won't break your programs), and so many more reasons.

And yet, except for those businesses who get accustomed to its reliability and low-staff light cost factor, it's almost an unknown quantity generally.

In a major twist against the truth, MS tries to paint it as "legacy" system, while it flails around, helplessly trying to catch its systems up to i5/OS standards.

MS wants to keep its "ownership" of the browser market because the standards would level the playing field. This thing is not just about browsers.

--Alan