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Red Hat & Microsoft partner up!

In what came as a surprise to many Linux observers, Red Hat announced on the morning of February 16th that it has signed reciprocal agreements with Microsoft to enable increased interoperability for the companies' virtualization platforms.

While Red Hat, after Novell partnered with Microsoft, had talked with Microsoft in 2007 about partnering, those talks came to nothing since Red Hat would not have anything to do with Microsoft's various IP (intellectual property) claims.

Things have changed. Red Hat announced that each company will join the other's virtualization validation/certification program and will provide coordinated technical support for their mutual server virtualization customers. The object according to Red Hat's press statement is: "The reciprocal validations will allow customers to deploy heterogeneous, virtualized Red Hat and Microsoft solutions with confidence."

In a blog posting, Microsoft's general manager of virtualization, Mike Neil, wrote, "Until today there's been one barrier, not product related, that we haven't been able to overcome to meet customer and partner demand: the ability to run and support Red Hat Enterprise Linux within a guest VM on WS08 Hyper-V and Hyper-V Server 2008. For all of those who have emailed me, my colleagues and your Microsoft account teams and partners, I'm pleased to say that today is the first big step to delivering that support."

Yes, you read that right. Microsoft is saying that they made this deal because of Microsoft customer demand to run Red Hat Linux.

On the Red Hat side, Mike Evans, vice president, Corporate Development at Red Hat said during a press conference, that "Red Hat is looking to help our customers extend more rapidly into virtualized environments, including mixed Red Hat Enterprise Linux and Windows Server environments. Red Hat listened when our customers asked us to provide interoperability between our respective guest and host virtualization solutions."

The end result of these efforts will be that "Red Hat and Microsoft customers will have the ability to run Microsoft Windows Server and Red Hat Enterprise Linux virtual servers on either host environment with configurations that will be tested and supported by both virtualization and operating system leaders," said Evans.

Several times during the press call Evans made the point that between Red Hat and Microsoft, the two companies control 80% of the enterprise x86 operating systems server market. Yes, Red Hat was underling the point that this unlikely pair are in this together.

Will cats and dogs start getting married now!?

Technically, Microsoft will validate and support Red Hat Enterprise Linux server guests to be supported on Windows Server Hyper-V and Microsoft Hyper-V Server. In return, users will be able to run Windows Server 2003 and 2008 on RHEL (Red Hat Enterprise Linux). At this time, Red Hat did not specify which Linux hypervisor it would be supporting Windows Server on. The logical choice is Xen, since Microsoft has already done work with Novell on getting Server to run with Xen.

As to why Red Hat and Microsoft made this deal, both Evan and Nash made it very clear that this move was being driven by enterprise customer and ISV demand. In particular, customers were telling both software companies that they were sick of dealing with multiple virtualization software packages and wanted some unification.

Evan also underlined the point that the agreements "do not include any patent or open source licensing rights, and additionally contain no financial clauses, other than industry-standard certification/validation testing fees."

In short, Red Hat made no sort of IP agreement and neither company is paying any money as part of the deal.

This position mollified some critics of Microsoft's partnering with other Linux companies. Roy S. Schestowitz, editor of Boycott Novell, said, that at first glance, that the deal "would not be as bad as signing a deal involving the licensing of codecs (2007 ish) and definitely not as bad as Novell's patent deal."

According to Red Hat and Novell, once each company completes testing, customers with valid support agreements will receive coordinated technical support for running Windows Server operating system virtualized on Red Hat Enterprise virtualization, and for running Red Hat Enterprise Linux virtualized on Windows Server Hyper-V and Microsoft Hyper-V Server.

Validations for Red Hat and Microsoft server virtualization solutions included in the reciprocal certification and support agreements are already underway. Users can expect to see the first results in the 2nd half of 2009.

What People Are Saying

I could blue-screen my Linux installs under Windows!

How cool is this!!!

If I can mix and match virtualisation, I could blue screen (like when WIndows falls over - come on, you've seen it how many zillions of times now?) all my virtual Linux OSs in my Windows server. That would be really fun!

I have only seen virtualization taken seriously one way round when Linux and Windows is concerned. Linux is used to provide a stable platform and other Linux and Windows OSs are virtualised inside the Linux platform. Why? Because Linux is stable. Linux is scalable. Linux doesn't know what the "blue screen of death", or equivalent, is; or even "why would you?".

I think it's great MS & Sun have worked on Web Services interoperability (who broke the standard by the way?).

I think it great MS & Red Hat are working on Virtualization interoperability too.

I wonder what interoperability initiative will come next! Maybe if MS followed the standards properly, we wouldn't have some many dramas. AS a web developer, I am still having to compensate for Internet Explorer breaking all the W3C rules!

Steve Barnes
Barnes-Open
www.barnes-open.com.au
Brisbane, Australia

Did anyone catch this slip?

"Several times during the press call Evans made the point that between Red Hat and Microsoft, the two companies control 80% of the enterprise x86 operating systems server market. Yes, Red Hat was underling the point that this unlikely pair are in this together."

:-) If you need help it's in the last sentence.

In a real IT shop there are valid cases for both Linux and MS workstations and servers (and others UNIX, MAC, BeOS?). This agreement is great news for those of us who run environments such as these and want to consolidate hardware AND want to stick with a VM solution provided by either vendor.

VMware ESX is nice but it is expensive, prohibitively so for those of us in education who have very little money in the budget for such niceties as software licenses :-)

ESXi is free, but in order to run production apps, you really need to license the bits that allow you to manage it (Virtual Infrastructure, or whatever they call it these days), which brings you back to lots and lots of money.

Having a solution that is included in your existing OS license is appealing.

RH & Microsoft

The immediate target is VMware not RH. MS will bundle HyperV with a Server OS and advertise it as "no additional cost", same game they played with Explorer to undermine Netscape.

Most large IT shops will happily go along with that since it is hard to justify purchasing a seprate virtualization product if one comes bundled with an OS you will alreadly be running and no sense running multiple products if you don't absoultely have to.

Why would you run Linux on

Why would you run Linux on on Windows VM? Are you angry at the Linux box?

Red Hat- Microsoft partner up

As a Red Hat investor and Linux user, I am opposed to IP agreements between Red Hat and Microsoft but more interoperability is nice. I had Novell stock and dumped it on the news of the Novell-Microsoft agreement. Well done, Red Hat.

why

why would I want to run windows on linux?

there isn't anything linux can't do that windows does.

and especially why would I run linux on windows?

that is like building a brick on house on sticks.

corrections

hat is like building a brick on house on sticks.

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that is like building a brick house on sticks.

can't do more than one thing at one time LOL

wow ...

MS listening to customers! Well, before their ears get all plugged with gumby again: we want something that works, does not have huge virus hassles, and does not have DRM.

This is great news for MS really; it allows them to get their software onto computer farms which would otherwise be running mostly Linux, so MS is expanding its market there.

As for me, I've lost interest in MS over a decade ago. I really don't miss them. In fact, whenever I have to deal with their software I can be heard screaming and cursing.

Smart move it looks like

Initially, without looking at any details, this makes a lot of sense from both sides. A lot of environments are mixed and to have the ability to run whatever virtualization platform you like in a supported fashion is a very nice thing indeed. We'll see how it goes down the road, but I think this is a good thing and again reaffirms my good impressions of Red Hat and their commitment to the open source community. Well done folks!

A deal yes, but they weren't singing Kumbaya together.

I trust Red Hat. I doubt there is anything in this deal that could hurt Red Hat or Open Source. I would like to have known what the negotiations were like and what the initial proposal was. If it's true that Microsoft's customers compelled them to strike an agreement with a competitor then the center of power is shifting. What will they ask for next?