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John Brandon

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Review: iTunes Genius is not so smart

I've had time to explore the new "cloud computing" feature in Apple iTunes 8, and - okay, I get it now. It's a marketing ploy, not a feature. Whatever cloud Apple is using is obviously not filled with any geniuses, at least not yet. As a true recommendation engine, Genius is rather weak.

The feature is essentially a way to get you to buy more music you like. It uses "the cloud" to make suggestions on other artists and songs. You click on a song, and see other songs in the Genius sidebar. Or, you can click the Genius button to create a playlist of similar songs you already own.

Genius would be really cool if it actually did what Pandora does, which is analyze a lot of metadata about a song such as beat, vocals, instrumentation, and sub-genre. But it seems so much like a tool to get you to buy music, has so little actual Web 2.0 integration (if any), and - by the way - doesn't really work too well for playlists. It's one of the more lame new features in iTunes that I've seen since the 80s playlist generator.

I tested it with many of the 444 CDs I own. At first, Genius just gave me an error that it could not connect. For a few obscure artists, like Pontiak, it did not work at all. For some, the results were not too accurate: for Eisley (female fronted pop rock), it added in a band called Rocket Summer (very emo). I'm not hearing it. Curious, I tested Eisley on Pandora and Rocket Summer never came up. I'm not sure why Genius thinks they are similar.

I suspect iTunes 8 works better for finding bands similar to more mainstream artists - Coldplay is akin to Keane sort of thing. I don't have too much of that music, and I suspect people looking for recommendations are those who listen to more obscure artists.

In iTunes, a dialog box for Genius says the more people who use the Genius feature, the more accurate it will be. I'll keep checking to see if anyone else listens to Pontiak and post another follow-up. Er, eventually.

What People Are Saying

Agree. genius is not so smart

I've been using itunes forever and was excited about genius. That is until i found out that most to none of my songs can be matched. It's very frustrating.

Suprise

Most comments are from crusaders defending anything Apple does, while not addressing one of the main points of the article, that Apple is using this as a shameless marketing engine. Surprise surprise, corporate greed. I like a lot of music that doesn't exist in the Apple library, like the Beatles for example. Admittedly a lot of the music is much more obscure... but having said that, I love the "Genius" result: "Genius sidebar could not find matches for your specific selection, but here are the Top Songs and Albums in the iTunes Store." Right, yeah, you have no idea what I'm playing, but you think I might buy the crap that everyone else is buying. Not so smart, Genius.

Genius playlists work by

Genius playlists work by comparing what other people have put in playlists with the song you have selected. The more user data it has, the more accurate. Genius is amazing and has given me some amazing songs that I had either not heard before or just forgotten about. It handles my music collection really well (1900 albums)...let's just admit that Apple are geniuses!

Genius

Genius does a great job of making sure all I listen to is the singles from albums I enjoy. I like music that isn't too obscure but is also not that popular, and anytime I select a song for Genius it's either an oversimplification (AC/DC means "Classic Rock" from 1965-1990) or just a way to rattle off singles when I enjoy entire albums. It's not very good, and it certainly doesn't help me "rediscover" my collection.

the rocket summer is emo

ummm excuse me??? the rocket summer is not emo! they are my favorite band. and the pandora works pretty good! and so does itunes so hush.

i agree with yew the rocket

i agree with yew the rocket summer is not emo its one of my fav bands i got furious when i saw that comment >.>

The Rocket summer

Just looked up "the rocket summer" and it looks pretty emo, if not just plain faggoty Haa haaa haa, and yeah itunes genius is pretty stupid for unknown artists

free music with intro to itunes

I purchased a new computer and was offered an exmaple of music by genius,what a piece of crap!!!!! Now realy, why would anyone have only off beat music as examples.All i can say is itunes should shake ther heads ,and smell the coffee . I couldn't bring my self to listen to more then 3sec and delete.

Interesting

Well I have to agree with you. It doesn't do what pandora does but it WORKS. People are satisfied in genreal with what it drags up. Sure it makes you spend more but if you like the music, isn't that the POINT? To listen to great music?

iTunes 8 Genius

I've been very impressed with Genius - for the playlists. I do listen to more mainstream music (Coldplay, Radiohead, Sia, etc.), but Genius pulls obscure songs from my library and I have enjoyed every playlist so far. The matching of songs seems somehow random, but intuitively accurate. I also like the recommendations... you don't actually have to buy them from the itunes store- I mean how pushy can something be that sits quietly in the margins of your computer screen :) Overall- I'm very impressed!