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RMS hates cloud computing; says you should too

In Tuesday's IT Blogwatch, Richi Jennings watches Richard M. Stallman worry about how the cloud computing fad is just another privacy-infringing, proprietary lock-in. Not to mention TV title mashups...

Bobbie Johnson interviews RMS in The Grauniad:

Richard M. Stallman (courtesy stallman.org)The concept of using web-based programs like Google's Gmail is "worse than stupidity", according to a leading advocate of free software ... Richard Stallman, founder of the Free Software Foundation and creator of the computer operating system GNU, said that cloud computing was simply a trap aimed at forcing more people to buy into locked, proprietary systems that would cost them more and more over time.

"It's stupidity. It's worse than stupidity: it's a marketing hype campaign ... whenever you hear somebody saying ... this is inevitable ... it's very likely to be a set of businesses campaigning to make it true."
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Stallman, who is a staunch privacy advocate, advised users to stay local and stick with their own computers.more


Eric Krangel adds:

The backlash to the cloud computing hype is snowballing. Now it's open source guru/fanatic Richard Stallman trashing the concept ... [his] comments follow those of Oracle CEO Larry Ellison a few days ago, who called cloud computing hype "complete gibberish" and "insane."

The back-to-back criticisms of cloud computing both target the hype, but the two figures have very different visions of the future. Oracle's Ellison is selling cloud computing products and poking fun at his own marketing. Stallman is opposed to the cloud because he thinks it locks users into proprietary, non-open source software. Guess which one is a billionaire?more


Stan Schroeder agrees, kinda-sorta:

Yup, it’s not smart to use Gmail ... it’s not smart to leave your personal data on Facebook, either. It’s definitely not smart to do your business online on a bunch of free apps which perhaps don’t really guarantee that your data is safe or - which is a much bigger problem in the startup world today - that they will exist in a year or two.

The problem, however, is that Stallman doesn’t realize that some web apps are not easily replicable as desktop open source applications ... It’s a common error; many IT geeks and diehards are used to using a relatively limited set of applications.
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If you’re really serious about your privacy, you’ll probably stay away from web apps and do as Stallman advises. But you can’t call everyone else stupid simply because they’re using web apps ... As always, it’s a matter of making an informed decision and knowing all the upsides as well as the downsides.more


Steven Hodson amazes himself:

Call 911, I’m almost agreeing with Stallman ... I don’t agree with the cloak of OSS self-righteousness that he drapes his words in but I do when it comes to the idea that we are giving up control to who ever is holding our data in any of those clouds. In someways this is even worse than the control we might give up by using commercial software on our own machines.more


Larry Borsato lets him down easy:

Even though Mr. Stallman is concerned about it, we actually use proprietary programs every day. Few people use open operating systems; we depend instead on Windows and Mac OS X. Or we purchase proprietary versions of free software such as Red Hat Linux, because we feel more comfortable having available customer support.

Web-based tools, proprietary or open, are merely an extension of that mentality. And so far, they have proved to be excellent in terms of available features and low cost ... I'm comfortable keeping my sales information in Salesforce.com, my documents at Google Docs, my photos at Flickr, my blogs at Wordpress, and my thoughts at Twitter. I have the added benefit of sharing with the world, something that would never happen if I kept everything on my local desktop. And that sharing makes my content all the more valuable.

Mr. Stallman's concerns seem well intentioned, but currently without basis.more


But Sean Tierney says Stallman is "confused":

None of the commentary I’ve read so far has caught the key fallacy here: he has confused two entirely orthogonal concepts, Software as a Service and Utility (Cloud) Computing. While often seen together, the two are completely independent of one another (ie. you can have a SaaS offering delivered via servers running in your datacenter, and conversely you can deliver OSS software on a cloud-based system.
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The vendor lock-in he’s railing against in his interview (and wrongfully attributing to the cloud computing aspect) is actually related to the fact that most SaaS offerings are based on proprietary software. But it’s the same dependence one develops to proprietary software running on the desktop only it’s easier to take the first cocaine hit when there’s nothing to install. That offering may happen to be delivered via servers that are running in the cloud but that’s completely tangential.

Making the argument he has is about as silly as going after the steel industry because you don’t like guns.more


Martin MC Brown agrees:

I think it's clear that cloud computing, like clouds, is a wide ranging description that covers a range of potential uses. What one sees as a cirrus, to another is a cumulonimbus. Both are types of cloud, but having a different structure.more


And Richard Giles says the real hype machine is Stallman himself:

I can’t agree with his blanket statement ... For example, the article picked on Gmail. I can move my data in and out of Gmail freely, and with my own domain I can move my email to another service whenever I want. That sounds fairly free to me.
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In fact cloud computing has the potential to make our data even more “free.” For instance, rather than store multiple copies of my data on local machines, as Stallman suggests, I can store my data in the “cloud” and take it with me on multiple devices.
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There are a few people in the old-guard that have exhausted their used-by-date I guess.more


And finally, TV title mashup central...

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Richi Jennings is an independent analyst/adviser/consultant, specializing in blogging, email, and spam. A 22 year, cross-functional IT veteran, he is also an analyst at Ferris Research. You can follow him on Twitter, pretend to be Richi's friend on Facebook, or just use boring old email: blogwatch@richi.co.uk.

Previously in IT Blogwatch:

What People Are Saying

Free Software Boomerang

Its interesting isn't it; Company "A" offers free (GPL) software. Company "B" repackages same software and makes it available for less than Company "A". Company "A" changes it's business model to offer maintenance and support for the free software it created. Company "B" starts an online service powered by Company "A"'s software. Company "B" employes company "A" to help maintain this software.

At this stage Company "B" has made a large investment in the services and software offered by Company "A". It would be a very expensive opperation to move to another software model.

Company "A" now complains that Company "B", by collecting peoples data and offering them a service is locking people into their business model and stiffiling choice.

A -> B -> !B -> !A

RMS has always been

RMS has always been concerned with the idea that someone else can control your data irrespective of your abilities, and has always advocated that you keep personal data under your own strict control.

I don't believe he would suddenly have a conversion if the cloud computing was being provided by OSS rather than proprietary (actually I suspect that underneath the hood, a number of these are using OSS), since placing data on these systems means the individual no longer truly controls what happens to it.

My own view is that if a document contains data that can potentially harm your business, or open you to liability, then it shouldn't leave the computer systems you control. The exception being whatever is actually required to do business.

The problem with cloud computing is that they are pushing it as a place to store all data including private and confidential data. How often have we already seen that companies can manage to misplace devices with personal data? To me these cloud computing systems for storing user data seem like they could be a prime target for criminals to trawl in the future should they start holding large amounts of personal data.

It's a business decision

For a lot of people, it's simply a business decision. The vast majority of small businesses (and many larger businesses) do not have the expertise or the budget to master their own "digital destiny." The florist, the plumber, the electrician, the painter, etc. are going to be "digital hostages" of someone who has the expertise to set up their web site, do their accounting, etc.

To non-technical businesses, it really doesn't matter whether their data is held hostage by some local computer geek or some cloud computing service. Either way, someone else is really in control of their data. They are probably safer going with some cloud based service that is shared by thousands or millions of others than trying to set up and run their own equivalent.

I'm a Linux user and I like the idea of having some say in my digital destiny. I also appreciate the level of expertise required to make that a reality for me. Conversely, it's a simple fact of life that not everyone has that expertise (or even wants to have it). I know more than a few small business people who do everything they can to avoid computers. It's one of those real world facts that lots of people like RMS don't seem to want to understand.

Cheers,
Dave

How about you gauge Slashdot and group participation?

Honestly, I barely know who any of those people are.
If I want to gauge the community, I go to forums and IRC chats not self-indulgent blogs.
I'll go to Slashdot where they rip everyone a new one.
Interestingly enough, everyone there agreed with RMS. Some agreed about the hype and some about software as services and some went with the wisdom of storing online as only source.

Yes and no

Nice to hear from you, Rob.

I do often pick up some choice comments from /. and other fora, but by no means every day.

All too often these days, /. is linking to stories a day or two after they're interesting. IIRC, this was one of those days.

Generally, I try to offer a balanced view of what people are saying, where balance exists. Not sure I agree that these bloggers are especially "self-indulgent".

And as for you not knowing who these bloggers are, well... isn't that the point?