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The H-1B visa as a job replacement tool

If Karl Marx were writing the Communist Manifesto today he would have included a chapter about offshore outsourcing.  It is one thing to be laid off as part of the constant revolutionizing of production, but it is something else to train your replacement who is in this country on a visa.

An IT employee who must train his/her replacement as the final step to unemployment is probably dealing with a sinking feeling, or as Marx wrote: All that is solid melts into air, all that is holy is profaned, and man is at last compelled to face with sober senses his real condition of life and his relations with his kind.

This takes us to the latest story about this (Hat tip to the Job Destruction Newsletter): Foreign Workers Could Be Replacing Charlotte Bank Employees by WSOC Television Inc., in Charlotte. The story is built on the report by a Wachovia employee who says he is training his replacement.

The question that needs to be asked, pointedly, is this: Are U.S. government visa policies facilitating the transfer of jobs overseas? Is the H-1B visa the lubricant of the offshore engine?

If this question comes up, the answers by visa proponents are at the ready. They will argue that the number of workers displaced by offshoring is microscopic compared to the overall labor force. But their overarching defense of offshoring is that it reduces costs, improves productivity, increases investment and creates jobs – despite being a little uncertain, at this point in history, just what those new, high-paying jobs will be. (The Wall Street Journal’s Numbers Guy points out that sometimes the numbers used in defense of offshoring make little sense.) 

And what would Marx do? You can bet that Marx’s vision of a worker paradise, updated for our time, would have included the People’s Offshore Development and Maintenance Center, your bourgeois alternative. Or, better yet, just look at China's public-private model. Private companies are building an offshore development industry thanks, in part, to substantial government incentives.

If the H-1B cap is hiked, will more U.S. workers, citizens and permanent residents be forced to train their foreign replacements? If the cap isn't raised will Indian firms, in particular, be forced to expand their U.S. work forces? The offshore firms -- and their customers -- want to avoid both outcomes because of the impact on margins and  public relations.

As business processes and technology are increasingly standardized, offshoring firms will be able to offer, at the ready, processes capable of quickly forklifting a business unit overseas. The need for direct retraining by U.S. employees may be offset by this. But that’s a story for another day. Regardless of how this turns out, for some U.S. workers that sinking feeling will remain.

What People Are Saying

David Ricardo's IRON LAW OF WAGES..

Free traders worship the 18th century author of the "Comparative advantage" theory.. David Ricardo..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Ricardo

But, David later published a pamphlet titled the "Iron law of wages".

The following author makes the case eloquently.

http://www.globalpolicy.org/globaliz/econ/2004/0110williampfaff.htm
"In a Shrinking World,
Wages Seek the Lowest Level"

"The Price of Globalization"
By William Pfaff
International Herald Tribune
January 10, 2004

Some excerpts...

"Ricardo, however, had a second theory, which he called the "iron law of wages." You do not hear much about the iron law, in part because you wouldn't want to hear about it, and also because experience has seemed to prove it untrue. But times are changing."

"The iron law of wages is also simple and logical. It says that wages will tend to stabilize at or about subsistence level. That seemed inevitable to Ricardo, since while workers are necessary, and so have to be kept alive, they have no hope of any better treatment since they are infinitely available, replaceable, and generally interchangeable."

"Ricardo's wage theory has seemed untrue. The supply of competent workers in a given place is not unlimited; neither workers nor industry are perfectly mobile, and labor demonstrated in the 19th and 20th centuries that it could mobilize and defend itself. The iron law of wages would seem to function only if the supply of labor is infinite and totally mobile."

"Unfortunately that day, for practical purposes, has now arrived, thanks to globalization."

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As long as the free traders, (Obama is showing his true colors), are in control of our government, we will be sentenced to a ever shrinking standard of living.

Today, I heard on Lou Dobbs broadcast, that the H-1B quota had been filled (April 2). There goes another 85,000 tech jobs in a blink of an eye, and there will be more. On average the H-1B program admits 145,000 new, (65,000+20,000+exempt categories), foreign workers into the US job market each year !!

(H-1B holders get to stay here, and work for up to seven years.. )

Tack on the L-1x program... there goes another 50,000+ jobs per year.

Last year we admitted.. 1,500,000 foreign workers on multi-year temp worker visas(H-1B and L-1x included), plus another 1,000,000 GC holders(ten years+renewals).

Last year, Bush allowed F-1 visa holders to stay and work for additional 17 months.. Adding
another ~400,000 foreign students to the US job market.

Is it any wonder why we're in the middle of a wage/job crushing crash !!!!

STOP HATING

Patrick Thibodeau is the Lou Doggs inciter of racial hatred at ComputerWorld. How unprofessional to stir up racist rednecks. These racist whiners think they are entitled to a job just because they were born in this country.

All whiners need a class in globalization 101.

12% of scientists, 38% of doctors, 36% of NASA, 34% of employees at Microsoft, 28% at IBM, 17% at Intel and 13% at Xerox are Indians.

If you cannot compete with Indian brainpower, try harder or shut up already.

Parties over

I believe you are the RACIST! You ASSUME the poster is white, you use the racist term "redneck" you dismiss his arguments and counter with false accusations of racial hatred. Look no further than YOUR comment to find the true racist. And the figures you quoted are ridiculous and false.

Globilization and free trade is just a race towards the FEUDAL system common in third world pits where life is cheap, and sewers are rare.

Where are all benefits of globilization going? To a tiny few elite, while our middle class(that made America great) is eroded by offshoring and cheap labor imports from countries that have a class system and poor living standards.

Free trade and globilization has been a DISASTER and ultimate insult to the most productive people in the world the American worker.

H-1B and other socialist wage manipulation programs will have(has had!)the normal market response of driving away supply.

H-1B where greed trumps morality, loyalty, quality and common sense.

I would suggest you stop hatting America and Americans. The H-1B program is AMERICAN LAW and if your NOT AN AMERICAN you should keep your comments to yourself.

Or should we discuss the many laws in India that prevent American products from being sold, as we would "outcompete" local products and cause wide scale unemployment?

Until India and other countries actually open up there economies like WE HAVE and let us sell products and WORK in India we should not allow ONE WORKER or ONE STUDENT into the U.S. How about some FAIR trade for a while.

H-1B is a guest invitation, the parties over, time to go home. Don't forget your hat.

RE: Stop Hating

We don't hate the individuals or the races of people. We hate our own corporations for not even trying to hide the fact that their only concern is hiring cheap labor.

It isn't that we don't think we can compete. It is that we don't want to lower ourselves to the standards of the people who are filling the positions. If you will work for half the wage then you are valuing yourself half as much as we have been valued in the past. If you were to say, "I'm sorry Microsoft, I want the same salary as the American sitting next to me," then we wouldn't have a problem.

If you come in as cheap labor, the businesses will think of you as nothing more than cheap labor. They will be less likely to respect you as a person. Show some respect for others and for yourself.

H-1B/L-1/F-1 are "temporary NON-IMMIGRANT" visas.

@ Tim K;

H-1B/L-1/F-1 are "temporary NON-IMMIGRANT" visas. By definition, holders of these visas are NOT "immigrants".

The premise of H-1B is that there are “skills shortages” requiring foreigners to fill the gap on “temporary basis”. What "skills shortages" exist in this economy?

We have the O-1 visa category for ALL Einsteins, which covers the alien with “extraordinary ability”. There are no limits on the number of O-1 visas that can be issued.

The "National Foundation for American Policy" (NFAP), a grandiose name for the ONE-PERSON "foundation" run by industry advocate Stuart Anderson. He is not saying who his present employer(funder) is, the fact that the lobbyists who quote him the most are immigration attorneys would seem to point to the American Immigration Lawyers Association or their American Immigration Law Foundation is his main funder. NFAP (Stuart Anderson) claim that "For each H-1b visa position requested, U.S. technology companies increase their employment by an average of five workers". His main results involve statistical regression analysis. Former statistics professor Norm Matloff gives you a crash course in regression.

http://heather.cs.ucdavis.edu/Archive/NFAP2.txt

“Postdocs hired at U.S. universities have become, for some time now, a new kind of cheap labor … who are most of the time only allowed to do those experiments that please their bosses, and, on the other hand, cannot many times contribute to the creative scientific process.”

http://sciencecareers.sciencemag.org/career_magazine/previous_issues/articles/2009_01_02/caredit.a0900001

Tata Consultancy Services Vice President Vice President Phiroz Vandrevala states in regards to H-1B and L-1 visa holders: "Our wage per employee is 20-25 per cent less than US wages for a similar employee...Typically, for a TCS employee with five years experience, the annual cost to the company is $60,000-70,000, while a local American employee might cost $80,000-100,000. This (labour arbitrage) is a fact of doing work onsite. It's a fact that Indian IT companies have an advantage here and there's nothing wrong in that. The issue is that of getting workers in the US on wages far lower than the local wage rate."

http://www.hindustantimes.com/StoryPage/StoryPage.aspx?id=cda81c51-7247-4c2a-8e36-2414c5f9686c&ParentID=ea3188ae-1933-4afd-81e1-a89d979dbeee&&Headline=H-1B+visa+holders+paid+less+in+US

Former Federal Reserve chairman Alan Greenspan said; "Our skilled wages are higher than anywhere in the world," he said. "If we open up a significant window for skilled workers, that would suppress the skilled-wage level and end the concentration of income."

http://www.boston.com/business/globe/articles/2007/03/14/greenspan_let_more_skilled_immigrants_in/

Welcome to the club

Welcome to the club. We have been saying these same things for years, albeit not as eloquently at times.

I lost my job to offshore outsourcing in 2003. I had been a Senior P/A and DBA for about 15 years at the time. It was completely devastating to me emotionally and financially. My wife and I are just now planning our first vacation since then, having worried about the same thing happening again and saving our money "just in case" instead of living our lives.

Whenever an article comes out like this and people like me respond, we were jeered and called whiners or worse. Now that the economy is in decline and more people are losing their jobs, they are listening more. But it may be too late. Whenever anyone calls for a halt to the H-1B or other visa programs, they are told they are being protectionist.

HELL YES...WE ARE TRYING TO PROTECT OUR JOBS, OUR FUTURE JOBS, AND THE JOBS OF OUR CHILDREN.

Don't you get it yet? As these tech job, accounting jobs, office jobs, call-center jobs, and factory jobs go away they aren't likely to come back. This quick fix for companies to get lower wages (during bad times or good times) means that the companies aren't trying to make themselves more efficient to compete in the global economy. They are selling out their neighbors and their futures for a quick buck now.

Ask yourself, if you were to go to college now, what would you study? Would you expect to make a career of it in that field of your choosing? Could it be someone would offshore that job and your career would be ended?

Our government's job is to protect and serve us, the people (the voters), not the corporations. Start by protecting our jobs.

ComputerWorld Quoted Friedman in 2002

Bravo for the work of the Job Destruction Newsletter! This newsletter was started by a Motorola engineer after his job was cut so that an H-1B Visa holder could do the work instead.

Here's the info on Friedman:

H-1B Is Just Another Gov't. Subsidy
22 July 2002
http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=72848

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You may learn more about the corrupt history of the H-1B Visa program by reading three articles that I have written.

Whose University is it Anyway?
8 February 2008 University of Buffalo Spectrum (I earned my Ph.D. there in 1984)
http://spectrum.buffalo.edu/article.php?id=35243

The Greedy Gates Immigration Gambit
Fall 2007 (Published in January 2008)
http://www.thesocialcontract.com/pdf/eighteen-one/tsc_18_1_nelson.pdf

Career Destruction Sites - What American colleges have become
Spring 2005
http://www.thesocialcontract.com/pdf/fifteen-three/xv-3-207.pdf
Missing table regarding H-1B visa usage by NIH Grantees:
http://www.jobdestruction.com/ShameH1B/Library/BrainSavers/H-1BVisaUsage_NIH_2003.pdf

American citizens who are outraged by what they read are urged to use the no-cost tools at NumbersUSA to demand reforms. Maybe your own job will be the one that is saved.

Career incentives

I became a programmer because my father was a programmer. My father was a truly gifted programmer and was paid very well for his work. If my father was unemployable (which would be the case today), I would have never put in the hard work, the long hours and spent the vast amounts of time and money keeping current with technology.

Very few college students are going to study for a career in which employers are aggressively trying to displace them given any opportunity. I have known several H1-B workers who started working in the United States with great enthusiasm, only to find that they too were disposable. The best thing for IT workers in the United States, India and China would be to pressure their respective governments to support domestic job creation and retention. As long as there is an H1-B program, the government of India will encourage its youth to abandon the idea of working in India in favor of temporarily working in the United States. The original H1-B workers are now in their late thirties and they have seen the light, and have been shown the door. Will they be encouraging their children to become IT workers? Unlikely.

What would Adam Smith or Milton Friedman say?

I think they would call the H-1b and L1 visa a labor subsidy. It's one way movement of labor with the sole purpose of cutting costs. It gives corporations the power to control the worker's ability to live and work in a country. It goes against economic freedom and is certainly not a free market or fair market concept.

Actually, Milton Friedman DID say just that

talking about H-1b specifically, as a subsidy from the middle class to the corporations