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The Quicken Ultimatum

I was reviewing my bills and trying to figure where I can cut back -- like everyone else these days -- when my electronic checkbook interrupted to ask for upgrade money.

Intuit gave me an ultimatum: Pay up or we shut you off.

With 15 years of Quicken data at risk, I set out to find out just exactly what my options were. Along the way, I discovered that my little upgrade problem was part of a larger challenge for the personal financial software market overall -- and for Intuit, which dominates in a way that even Microsoft must envy. Here's what I found out -- and how I made my choice.

Confessions of a Quicken Junkie

I am a long-time user of Quicken. I've been hammering in my checkbook transactions since 1993 -- something that my wife views as an anal-retentive waste of time. She's the kind of person who can keep a rough balance in her head at all times and doesn't worry about balancing the checkbook down to the penny. She always knows basically where she stands financially.

I'm not like that. I have to know every detail, and Quicken is my biweekly ritual to find out. So I sit in my office with the paper checkbook, Quicken on screen, and fret over missing receipts and unknown transactions. My wife has learned to put up with the outbursts from the office when bank statements don't magically line up with Quicken's balance and I have to uncheck 77 cleared transactions and start over.

She hates the constant cash register "ka-ching" as Quicken logs each register transaction (should I tell her I can turn it off?). And she somehow tolerates the constant interruptions. "Honey, what was this $78 charge I downloaded from the bank?" For all that, I can never remember the balance -- something that's always a point of ridicule in our house. But I always know where to find it. And hey, I produce great reports.

It's not all that bad, really. With increased use of VISA debit cards and the ability to electronically download current transactions as they post at the bank, the process has become much easier. And the reports make a big difference at tax time.

The Quicken Ultimatum

But I digress. My current version is Quicken 2006. I've seen no value in upgrading -- I use the program as an electronic checkbook -- so I had not bothered with the yearly refreshes: 2007, 2008 and now 2009. So, finally, Intuit decided to force the hand of us Quicken 2006 holdouts. Right after the first of the year the pestering commenced. Every time I launched Quicken, Intuit was in my face with a continuous string of discontinuation of service "Service Alert" pop-ups.

Quicken Discontinuation of Service Dialog

It stated that, Effective April 30th Intuit would drop support for Quicken 2006.

No more support? I could live with that. But what got my attention was this statement: "This means you will no longer be able to access ... [d]ownloads of your bank, credit card, credit union, or investment account transactions."

Now that's a problem. I'll talk about what happened next tomorrow.

Quicken: The Saga

What People Are Saying

Gnu

So why not just get GnuCash? I was considering getting Quicken but the price gave me sticker shock and I got the opensource Gnu Cash instead.

Quicken upgrade extoration money

While I agree that I should not expect Quicken to support all versions of their programs, they should not turn off working parts of the program just to force me to upgrade. I mean, the downloading of transactions has been working the same for years, it does not need any support from Quicken, at least for my uses. My only reason to upgrade was to keep a function from being removed from my system. I had no control over Intuit flipping a switch. I can not believe that the code that did the downloads would quit on its own. I agree that this is being done just to force people to upgrade to keep their income stream. Otherwise it would be like my Office 97 software. I have been using since it was released and it has never had a problem. What Intuit has done would be the same as Microsoft saying that on some date, I would no longer be able to create a new spreadsheet in Excel if I did not update to a newer version. In answer to a question to an earlier post, how can Intuit stop you from importing a QIF file. It is simple, the option to do the import is grayed out on the menu. Simple, no more imports. Quicken 2009 will be my last update. I will either enter my bank information manually or switch to something else.

Need Guidance to Get Out of Quicken

I am currently using Quicken 2008 to take care of my finances and investments. You can say I am a Quicken junkie. I run daily updates and am highly dependent on Quicken to know what is going on with my accounts. This has allowed me to, more than once, immediately detect credit card fraud so prevalent these days.

But I am tired of it because it is so finicky and unstable. The treatment of Paypal accounts is terrible and my Paypal support keeps on disappearing. In a constant fight I keep putting the file entry back every week or so. And these balances off by a cent or two is for the birds.

It would be nice if someone could look into alternatives to Quicken, some of which have been suggested above, and prepare a table of key features and which ones migrate from the Quicken files. I myself would be most interested on the following features: Bank, Credit Card, PayPal, Investment, and Asset accounts. Automatic updates of these accounts and management of bill payment.

Not sure about Paypal

I can't comment on Paypal, since I don't use that with Quicken. However, I do download statements from a half dozen different bank accounts plus a dozen or so mutual funds, 401Ks, etc. and generally don't have a problem once they're set up.

If you're finding Quicken 2008 to be generally finicky and unstable that's probably a reason to consider alternatives. But if it's just Paypal you might want to do some research with tech support or in the forums to see if you can get to the root of the problem.

Switching products is a big effort. It will bring its own headaches, and you may end up with some other issue specific to your needs that's just as vexing.

That said, a round up is not such a bad idea. Two alternatives have already been mentioned below.

You can Find Good in Anything - Even an Upgrade

I used Quickbooks PRO Version 6.0 R4 for close to 12 years with great results. I have my own computer consulting company so Quickbooks instead of Quicken was a better way for me to go. I recently upgraded to Quickbooks Pro 2008 only because my accountant upgraded and he is not a computer power user so I need to contact him every year around tax time to walk him through working with my Quickbooks files on his PC. But I have had no issues upgrading older files, transactions or any other functionality in Quickbooks Pro 2008. Additionally, while the other free accounting apps are a bit of a savings, if most of the accountants out there are using Quicken and/or Quickbooks then the decision is an easy one. Intuit has the power, just like Microsoft has trhe power on the desktop. Until I change accountants, which I don't see happening any time soon, Intuit will remain my vendor.

Move from Quicken to GnuCash

Hi,
I run a small consulting company. For many years I used Quicken to track my personal & company accounts, and it met my needs.

Mid last year I got tired of Quicken begging to upgrade, and moved to Gnucash. It does everything Quicken does, it is FREE, and supported by an active user community - so bug fixes are timely.

It runs on Windows (XP & Vista), as well as Linux and on Mac machines. It stores it's data in compressed XML, not a propriety format. You can download stock quotes from the internet etc. It has A/P & A/R functionality.

You can import your data from a QIF file - so migration is simplified. It is a true double entry accounting system. You can write your own reports, if you so want (warning: I said write, not design)

But don't take my word for it - go look at http://www.gnucash.org/ or google Gnucash, and read the reviews, and make up your own mind.

Regards
A former (for 11 years) Quicken-user

Honestly, just switch to Mvelopes

Honestly, for all your Quicken problems, things not balancing, having to uncheck 77 transactions and start over, just switch to Mvelopes and be done with it. Quicken tells you where you spent your money, Mvelopes tells you where you CAN spend your money. Big difference in the approach to managing your money, and the later is ten times easier because it is not so reactionary like Quicken is.

Interesting idea

Mvelopes is an interesting idea for basic budgeting. I can recall my parents doing this with physical envelopes when I was a kid, and when everything was transacted in cash.

However, part of the benefit of using Quicken is for tracking actual expenses for tax purposes. For example, we have a rental property.

Also, Mvelopes puts your data in the cloud. Do you feel comfortable putting your personal financial information there?

http://www.mvelopes.com/

That seems easy

That seems easy. Make a folder called "Rental Property" and dump all rental property stuff in there that you are concerned about tracking. Come tax time, just refer back to that folder.

This being said, I'm guessing you are also the type that does your own taxes since you use Quicken like others use a microwave. I used to do that until I wised up and learned that for $500 I can have a certified CPA do it, and they do it right, and they get me more money back than what I could on my own because they are "professionals" unlike me who is just a hack.

The Quicken Ultimatum

My issue goes the other way. I upgraded last year, and found my back did not support the new format. Now I need to manually type each new entry.