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Toshiba: Refund HD DVD owners' money

I'm still a bit stunned by the lightning-fast speed with which Toshiba Corp. threw in the towel on manufacturing its HD DVD players after Warner Bros announced it would be throwing its full support behind rival Blu-ray Disc format.

I've been watching the battle between the two next-generation, high-definition optical disc formats with keen interest and figured that Blu-ray would win at some point but not this point. After all, the battle between VHS and Betamax video tape formats dragged on for a decade in the 1970s and 1980s, so I figured this high-def DVD battle would last at least half that time. But alas, movie studios didn't want to repeat history (apparently Betamax supporter Toshiba didn't want to either), so they forced the industry's hand and pulled their support.

In the wake of Toshiba's decision are hundreds of thousands of consumers who shelled out anywhere from $100 to hundreds of dollars for an HD DVD player. While an HD DVD player is still an upconverting DVD player, and it can play whatever HD DVD movies have already been released, otherwise the boxes have no future. Without movie studio support, there will be no more HD DVD content to play on those boxes. I think Toshiba should at least offer some credit or rebate, particularly on the higher priced models and those purchased most recently.

But according to Valleywag, a Silicon Valley tech gossip pub, Toshiba has left its customers out to dry. There will be no refunds. I checked with Toshiba customer support and I was told the same thing.

Some may take the position that consumers who gambled on HD DVD players while the format wars were going on got what they deserved. I don't. Consumers aren't always savvy, but that doesn't mean they should be taken advantage of. They trust that when they buy a product, it will have some reasonably viable future, and this product simply doesn't. "Now you have to go buy a Blu-ray player?" says Gloria Barczak, a professor of marketing at Northeastern University in Boston.

Barczak believes Toshiba is already facing a flood of attempted HD DVD returns from angry consumers who purchased players over the holiday season. "I would return it. Absolutely," she says.

Barczak goes on to say that while a partial rebate or credit policy may be a financial disaster for Toshiba and other HD DVD manufacturers in the short-term, the smart move is to follow Steve Jobs' example with the iPhone and win future favor with consumers.

In case you're not up on that story, when Apple originally released the iPhone in June last year, it charged $599. Then, three months later, the company dropped the price by $200, leaving early adopters feeling bitter at having paid so much more only months earlier. But Jobs isn't a multi-millionaire visionary for nothing. He knows that loyalty has kept his company afloat through many industry downturns, so he apologized and handed out Apple store credits of $100 to all those folks who paid the original $599.

Barczak believes HD DVD manufacturers could give full or partial refunds based on how long customers have owned their boxes. "So if it's six months we refund it completely. If it's a year, we give you $100 or $200," she says. "That would help them in terms of reputation."

I'm a big fan of the Bible and particularly the Book of Proverbs, which was mostly written by King David's wise son, King Solomon. And the scriptures are quite clear when it comes to money or reputation: "A good name is more desirable than great riches; to be esteemed is better than silver or gold." (Proverbs 22:1).

So with that in mind, Toshiba and other manufactures of HD DVD players should put reputation over profit, do the right thing and offer refunds to those who purchased their products. Whether they do or don't, there's going to be a backlash against them, how much of one is their choice.

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HD DVD Lost

I own a Toshiba A30 and paid $249 for it from Amazon a week before Christmas. Do I feel like I got screwed? Nope. I gambled and I lost. As they say, never bet more than you can afford to lose. Sure it sucks but I bought it fully aware of the risk. I just didn't want to spend $399 for a blu-ray even though I had a pretty good gut feeling that blu-ray was a better format all things considered. My only other choice was an Oppo upconverting unit for $229. Toshiba threw in 10 free DVDs and it was a good deal at the time. I am a little hacked off about Netflix but they can run their business as they wish. It's still AMERICA right? I'll just wait for the price to come down on the blu-ray and buy one. I don't think Toshiba owes me anything at this point except those 5 movies on the mail-in rebate. However, if all the folks that are really pissed off wind up getting me some compensation through pressure or legal action I'd just like to take this moment and say thank you. Peace and good health to all. I hope I don't anger anyone but at some level it's just a DVD player.

If you were stupid enough to buy a Toshiba then...

Personally I think anyone stupid enough to buy a Toshiba product and gets screwed, got what they deserve. Same feeling goes for Apple product buyers and Sony products. If you can't see the handwriting on the wall then you should stay out of the market. These companies have a proven track record of screwing their customers time and time again. And it doesn't take a genius to see it.

What Toshiba should do...

What Toshiba should do is license Blu-ray technology and build combo players. That would avoid orphaning existing HD-DVD libraries and maintain good customer relations. And keep Toshiba in the fight. Instead of just quitting, it can create its own content (learn Sony's Betamax lesson, whydoncha?).

I'm not really upset about buying a HD-DVD player since it is a good DVD up-scaling player. However, I'm bummed that Netflix is dropping its inventory of HD-DVD discs (please send them a complaint). Even if no one produces new discs anymore, I would still like to watch what's already out on the market (maybe someone will form a lending library of HD-DVD discs).

Blu-ray players need to go through another revision before it's worth buying. That, and the price must get down to $199. AND, if Sony was smart, IT would offer the rebate (bounty) for turning in HD-DVD players...

hd dvd refund

some companies in japan are offering to accept toshiba hd-dvd players in exchange for blu-ray players, according to the nikkei weekly

Refund HD DVD Owners' Money?

Those who bought into Toshiba's HD DVD players in the midst of the hi-def DVD format wars knew, or should have known of the risks. So an outright refund is inappropriate, and possibly more than Toshiba can afford to pay.

However, Toshiba would do well to offer a credit toward purchase of their own Blu-Ray DVD players, once they become commercially available -- perhaps $100 for low-end players and $200 for higher-end players bought within 6 months of Toshiba's announcement that they would no longer make these units, and a lower amount (maybe half) for players bought more than 6 months prior.

And for those of us who still haven't received the free promotional HD DVDs (it's now been 12 weeks since I sent my paperwork in, and they said delivery would be within 8-10 weeks!), they should offer some bonus HD DVDs.

HD DVD Movie rebate

I used to own a chain of video stores in the 80's and I lived the VHS / Beta dynamic. I also saw RCA drop the Laserdisc from support with no warning.
I bought a Toshiba HD DVD A-30 right before Xmas with the intent of eventually getting a Blu-ray as well. Right now I am ticked as well on the movie rebate. My forms were sent in 11 weeks ago with NO movies in sight.
I currently own 3 or 4 Toshiba products in my home. If I don't get these movies, there will be no more Toshiba items in my future.

Did ANYONE get the movie rebate completed on a timely basis lately?

Dave S.

Toshiba rebate movies

I purchased my Toshiba HD DVD player just before Christmas. Yes, I received the movie rebates, but it took some time. I called Toshiba, and the rep pulled up my rebate that was in process. In the meantime, I paid a relatively low price for the player, my current DVD collection included many HD DVDs and standard DVDs that can be upconverted. I decided to keep the Toshiba and purchased a second unit at a subtantial discount to backup if the first unit expires. Many of the combo HD DVDs are cheaper than the standard DVDs. I don't regret purchasing the HD player. I will not purchase a blu-ray player until the price drops. However, I did purchase a PS3 for my children that plays the blu-ray. I believe it was the PS3 that herded people to the blu-ray DVD racks in the stores. Lesson? Well, wait next time. I feel that I've gotten my money's worth.

HD DVD Movie Rebate

Dave,
I experienced the EXACT same frustrations after I purchased a Toshiba HD DVD A-20 for $450 in February of 2007 and promptly sent in the movie rebate. It said 4-8 weeks for delivery, but low and behold, I didn't received my 5 HD DVDS until OCTOBER! Finally, my A-20 player broke down two months ago (then I went out and bought a Blu-ray player in anger) and after countless returns to Toshiba, Circuit City told me it couldn't be fixed, but I might be eligible for a rebate... but what good does that do when I have over $550 in HD DVD movies??? It seems is if I could potentially be out $1000 because Toshiba threw in the towel. I'm done with Toshiba, period.

P.S. From checking with my friends who applied for the HD DVD rebate, delivery times ranged from 5 months to 11. Sorry Dave.

re-submit your form, they

re-submit your form, they said they never received my first one.
I got my free dvds after I wrote emails to them, and resent the form and receipt photocopy.