Using Vista instead of XP is dumb

i agree

The people that say they like vista are obviously Microsoft employees... I dare any big company to try and make the switch and see how many problems you have. vista doesn't play well with older software at all it sucks and is a big hog... our technology keeps getting stronger so Microsoft programmers can get sloppy with files that hog system resources, get a brand new computer with vista and see how slow it goes then put XP on it and see how fast that thing runs its night and day. If windows Xp still had issues and wasn’t perfected why would Microsoft go ahead and release a new OS it makes no sense…..Vista is crap and was wrote poorly and has had the worst viruses in years….

Using Vista instead of XP is dumb?

I switched to Vista at work recently and it works just fine - despite what the naysayers and Apple lemmings say. I also support well over a couple hundred machines in a multi-OS working environment and have 25+ years of experience using and working with PCs. Your statement is essentially a load of malarkey.

Vista is a different OS than XP and a change from what you are used to or have expectations for. Some people cannot adapt to change.

You couldn't be more ignorant...

You're displaying your opinion as a fact, you're spreading your ignorance, and furthermore you're wrong!

Vista today is no worse than xp was when it was however old vista is now. People like to complain, just as they will sue for anything. There's nothing horribly wrong with vista. The only problem people are having is that this is a new generation of computers, a step-up. x64 is replacing x86 due to it's many advantages, and many people do not have the sufficent hardware to utilize it. Vista32 DOES suck on it all, but thats because Vista was programmed with x64 in mind.

Working with computers that long? That means your too dam old to handle Vista. Your tired, worn out, and closed minded.

Intel abandoned Microsoft like they did nVidia. They will not sell CPU's that cannot handle Vista as one's that can, it will backfire. They will promote Vista (and do) with their high end quads.

Also, Vista performs BETTER dam fool. Check any benchmarks. UT3 is multi-threaded as all future applications will eventually be, and it gets significantly more FPS in Vista64 SP1 over XP32 SP3.

I couldn't disagree with you

I couldn't disagree with you more on this one. I got a new computer with home premium on it about seven months ago. I like many others was dreading Vista but when I got into it, it really isn't that bad. Only took a week or two to get it the way I liked it. Never had a BSOD, but it has had problems with freezing explorer because of inserting improperly formatted memory cards or USB sticks.

XP was put in the exact same position Vista is in now when it was released. Everyone complained about XP and praised 2000.

Furthermore, you didn't give a single reason why Vista was bad, you've just joined the flock of sheep proclaiming XP the best.

I would say, if you have XP now, don't bother upgrading, just wait until you get a new computer.

I have vista sp1. One reboot

I have vista sp1. One reboot to install it. I have yet to see a BSOD on vista (home basic). Runs what I need to, syncs with my palm (which linux does not do)

I run linux most of the time but have need for windows from time to time and this new computer will not run XP in anything other than 800x600x16 with the "correct" nvidia drivers.

Most of what I do run on windows is FOSS and I dont have odd reboots or any weirdness. My only gripe is UAC which I turned off.

Vista came with the computer and my linux runs off a 200G maxtor external usb drive (Fedora 9)

Oh, and I can access files from one OS on another (Ext2IFS is nice)

I'm not saying its a good OS but are you going to still be running XP in 2013 when windows 8 (or whatever it will be called) because your hardware vendors havent produced updated drivers.

I saw the same complaints about XP by the way when everyone was running 98.

A better way! Experience distilled.

Dang people. Sure, it's your choice but apparently you have not given Kubuntu a fair shake (see below.) Why fight over XP vs. Vista, have it then come down to things like hardware compatibility and not try Kubuntu? There's the problem. As stated, people don't know about or try Kubuntu. If they do, they either expect perfection or think it odd to find solution available 24/7 in the forums, as the preferred method of tweaking your system.

Look, I just can't stand it any more. Most of you don't know what you are talking about and I can prove it. No, I don't know everything but if you read these few points, you will have knowledge, perspective, and the benefit of long hours of testing on various systems.

So many things, where do I begin...

1. "desktop/notebook" operating system are more complex today and getting more so. People cry for simplification but they (Win,OSX,Kubuntu/Linux) are complex because we want the many things (in one) that computers do for us. you may say you only want email but that is generally not true of anyone. The whole premise of a "desktop" computer is that it is not an "appliance" device. it's flexible and mostly, it is UPGRADEABLE!

2. The most important thing that we need, to tame these beasts, is the ability to manage the smooth interaction of all it's parts. This includes upgrade ability. Not just what Microsoft calls "Updates" but encompassing new releases and every core component as well. This package management is where Kubuntu (and the like) have no equal.

3. Choice is good and yes it may seem overwhelming but experience (yours and what you may readily read) answers the call. Sure it's my preference to use and recommend Kubuntu but do you have clients that you support on Kubuntu? I do. So it is not only for me and my whim. Plus if you really prefer Ubuntu (with Gnome) then that's fine too. Not a big deal. Yet, OSX or XP or Vista? They are simply not the better choices. They do not manage change as well.

4. WARNING: Kubuntu will get you mad too. It's a computer people. These (complex) personal confusers all have a knack, for getting out of whack. Don't expect too much. I only submit that Kubuntu is the lesser of evils and if you read on, it will be less so, for you. Truly, overall, and with almost no "special cases" left, Kubuntu is the better and wiser choice. What's more is it doesn't even have to be a choice. It can be an add on! Keep Windows and compare. That is, until you realize Windows wastes your time.

5. OSX flatly, is not the user friendly perfection it has claimed to be. I already said nothing is perfect. Yet, OSX is expensive, continues to cost for upgrades and simply is not the better "UNIX based" or UNIX like system.

6. Every system has it's advantage somewhere, that that others do not have. Yet honestly, the few things that XP and OSX have good and unique, do not compare to the total positives with Kubuntu. If it can't be done with Linux (Kubuntu,) it can't be done.

7. About the only hardware that doesn't work with Kubuntu today, is so rare, old, and unsupported by it's manufactures that you really don't want it anyway! What you do want, is the many device components that are "open" to any OS and "just work" in Kubuntu automatically. Yes. Driver support is so good with kubuntu that you can forget about it. It is many steps that you can just skip.

8. Time is what's most precious. Yes, Kubuntu, all it's part and pieces, it's super-easy and dynamic upgrades are all free to you. There no catch. There not only lack of familiar lock-in. It's the opposite of lock in. there no limit to the (free) help and support you can gather and that my friend, puts you in the drivers seat. Not just today but for tomorrow as well.

9. Get real: Kubuntu is criticized for not including some restricted drivers upon install. Blame your not so friendly anti-competitive monopolists. While other "distributions"(bundles) of total GNU/Linux software systems set these up for you. Canonical (the Kubuntu supporter) leaves this, as your choice. It's not that Canonical would lose a law suite. It's that it would cost them too much to win. The good news is, this is covered by community support and available with the click of a mouse (if you know what you want and therefore what to choose). Again, gaining direction on which of the many choices is a matter of reading of asking a friend.

10. It's the community. Did you think small numbers use Linux of even just (K)Ubuntu? It's safety in numbers.

11. Compatibility: I list this only because so many still don't understand that open standards based Kubuntu gives you the greatest compatibility, and you can read and write all the various (non-standard) Microsoft Office files using the Kubuntu included Open Office.

12. Generally, you are best using application programs in their native operating system. With Kubuntu, when you see the unbelievable and massive amount of free and native applications; without any tiered tricks or restrictions on upgrades, you will come to understand that you simply do not need windows applications (though you could run many of them; in the case of your unconverted historical data.) WINE, lets you run many popular (about a year old) Windows programs and do it without Windows. It's an "applications layer" to run Windows programs as if they were native, in Kubuntu. WINE is available right from the Control Panel like "System Settings".

13. There is no way to keep any system up to date better than with Broadband. Do not make the mistake of missing upgrades, on any system. While you may not wish to be the first guinea pig, you do want to be in line, and at the front. Security and stability depends on it. Remember, what's needed most, is the ability to keep up. Else, your software system is too old the moment you buy it.

14. Do not, I repeat! Do not, get a new release of Kubuntu the day it comes out, unless you know what your are doing. If you want maximum user ease, newer programs and with the most stability of ANY other OS in existence, wait. Here the secret. I recommend getting in 3 months after an official release and that is just 3 months before the next one. other wise just load the previous version. It's not like these expire in 6 months. You may upgrade when you are ready! You may even skip a release and without problems. It keeps on upgrading far 6 months. Just do not get impatient, because no one will stop you. Keep you main and "production" systems stable.

15. You do know Kubuntu looks and works much the same way as Windows, right? It's not a big deal. It's only different overall, where it's an improvement. Have you ever stopped to consider, an improvement is a difference? What's more, if you do not like the manner in which something looks or acts, no other system allows you to put it, just the way you think it should be, than one like Kubuntu.

16. If you need support then you needs it on any system. You do understand that no virus or Spy-ware checks are actually needed with Kubuntu, don't you. What's you time worth?

17. There's more...Experience distilled

I sincerely hope you appreciate the time I give to you in these points. The future is brightest with open software. It's default system password protection is (conversely) easy to use and thereby prevents any system virus from spreading. It's also open to standards and closed from evil hiding within.

Life is like a box with Windows. You never know what you're going to get!

Vishta?

Out of the last 50 customers with vishta, ONE had a problem that was not a vishta problem (could not play pogo, java problem). The rest (49)were just lame MS screw-ups; I've seen vishta take over 20 minutes to move a 100Mb. folder to another folder on the same drive(draaaaaaaaaaag and drop). Palms and many other tools that won't sync,,, I've been asked a bunch of times to "upgrade" new computers from vishta to XP so that they could use their "old" $2,000.00 laser printers. If that was your customer would you say no? would you tell them to save the $150. for XP and tell them to toss all 5 printers ($10,000)AND buy new ones (and should they upgrade or replace their 8 XP systems)? SP1 problems, endless reboots, more blue screens than win98,oh and: are you sure? yes , are you sure that you're sure? yes, click, Sorry you are not "THE" Administrator, just the owner (some people don't like that). and the people with vishta basic have it even worse. That stuff was all fixable, but they all had to pay someone to fix, tweak, or REPLACE it. What current OS isn't better than the big V, in the real world? If it was a horse I would have to shoot it! Billy g knows that you can't change a horses OS.

Vista is an unwanted baby

Am fully with Steve. Microsoft perhaps released Vista under the periodic delivery disorder - they perhaps never realized how functionally useless the new OS would turn out to be.
While the giant promo machine tried very hard to promote Vista, Vista is born with congenital defects, if I may say so.
The truth is Microsoft is stuck with Vista and if there was a way, they would have trashed it. Unfortunately, they don't have!

XP is good enough

I was the first one in my project to approach my manager and after much justifications, get his approval to instal Vista on my office PC. But unfortunately, even after 6 months of using Vista, I hardly find anything new with it that is "actually" useful for office work.

Contrary to that, I find lot of hardware issues related to drivers. Our project has all decent configuration PCs (P4, 2 GB RAM, 80 GB disk, etc). But Vista simply refuses to get along with even good configuration PCs. Every two days I get the "blue screen" as Vista has issues with display driver. Printer frequently prints garbage as its not compatible with our office's old HP laser printers. The problems are endless.

I, for one, definitely support XP till Microsoft comes up with a better OS or solves these teething problems that Vista faces. Till then I would prefer XP at office and Ubuntu plus XP dual boot at home!