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Are Vista prices low enough yet? Not compared to Apple's OS X

Microsoft's price cuts on Windows Vista last Thursday seem to be designed to make the most difference where it's the least important – to give the software giant bragging rights down the road without hurting – or improving – its bottom line.

In the United States, Microsoft will make price cuts that are largely symbolic gestures. It will cut the price of the full retail version of Vista Ultimate from $399 to $319, and the retail upgrade from $259 to $219. It also reduced the Vista Home Premium upgrade from $159 to $129. The cuts will be effective with the release of Vista SP1, apparently, or when Amazon.com posts a promotional sale, whichever comes first.

(Around the world, price cuts were more substantive, but whether they'll result in more copies of Windows being paid for and fewer pirated is an open question.)

What are the chances the cuts will set off a stampede of PC users who've just been waiting for Vista prices to hit the magic number? Slim to none, actually. Nobody's been waiting.

Very few users update their PCs, and Vista's hardware demands are so heavy compared to previous versions of Windows that it's practically upgrade-proof. The result is that Vista's sales have come almost entirely through PC makers' sales of new computers, and retail has been a minor piece of its business. Microsoft isn't saying how small, but it's probably less than 10 percent of the total, maybe as little as 5 percent. If Microsoft had cut its OEM pricing – what it charges a PC maker to install a copy of Vista on a new machine – now, that would have been big news.

The cuts, if they have any effect at all, solidify the position of the Vista Home Premium upgrade as the most cost-effective version of the operating system – at $129, it's just $30 more than the Home Basic upgrade, and what you don't get in Home Premium that you do get in Vista Ultimate is stuff you'll never miss anyway.

What makes Microsoft's changes most puzzling is that they don't do anything to change Vista's competitive price/performance relationship with other available operating systems. Vista prices are still higher than Windows XP, which will be on sale for another three months or so and – if reports of XP SP3 are to be believed – still represents a better price/performance decision.

Obviously Vista loses to Linux, which is generally priced at zero. But I'm not about to argue that Linux is worth more than Vista. Regardless of what you think of Vista, Linux is still not as convenient to use or maintain, nor as widely compatible with hardware and software – a side-effect, however unfortunate, of the fact that the consumer marketplace for Linux is roughly the same order of magnitude as the marketplace for Vista upgrades.

Value pricing is a much easier argument to make with Apple's OS X. Today I can buy the ″family pack″ retail upgrade of Leopard from Amazon.com for $171.49 and install it on up to five computers. That's $34.30 a copy.

That's a tremendous bargain, even when you compare it to the single-install version of Leopard, which Amazon lists for $109.49, which is just $10 more than the Vista Basic upgrade, which is essentially XP without XP's performance. Vista Ultimate is six times that per machine than the Leopard family pack, and the most realistic comparison, the Vista Home Premium upgrade, is still more than 3 1/2 times as expensive. Apple makes it possible for you and a Mac-head friend to split the cost of family pack and upgrade your MacBooks and desktop machines very cheaply.

There are all kinds of arguments you can make here (and I expect the comments on this blog will be full of them, at very high volume) but most of them work in Apple's favor. For instance, the PC side will say, $34.30 for Tiger-to-Leopard doesn't buy you nearly as much of an upgrade as XP-to-Vista represents – in fact, given that it was six years between XP and Vista, and Apple went through how many major upgrades of its OS in those years, the total cost of keeping a Mac upgraded has probably been much closer to the cost of the Vista upgrade. But then, the Apple side will say, you weren't waiting for six years for better security, either.

But then, the PC side will say, you don't have pay Apple's prices for hardware to run Vista. But then, the Apple side will say, a Mac that can run Leopard can look cheap compared to a PC beefy enough to run Vista.

And so it goes. Let the games begin.

But I'm still puzzled. Why did Microsoft even open up this can of worms if it wasn't going to make a serious competitive move?

What People Are Saying

Vista blunder

As I've heard it described: "Vista, the view you see right before you fall over the edge."

I have been using XP Home ever since SP1. I have found it to be a good stable OS that does what I need it to do. Vista seemingly took everything GOOD about XP and threw it in the trash.

For the most part I do not rely on Windows for ANY of my work, I have apps for that...so why the heck would I buy Vista, and pay for a bunch of garbage that will not work as well as the aftermarket products??

I will not be changing to Mac (yet) but I have Kubuntu to play with (still learning Linux). In the mean time I will stick with XP until they either fix Vista (read: replace it) or come out with something new (read: replace it).

Apple treats you like a customer!

Here is the biggest difference I see... Apple treats you like a customer. They don't have activation, and serial numbers, and Genuine Advantage, and what not. If you have the disk, you have the product. Plain and simple. Does this mean that a lot of people install the OS without paying for it? Yes! Does this mean that Apple looses money on OS sales? Yes, but not nearly as much as you think. The people who pirate the OS, and build "Hackintosh" systems, and the like... are not likely to buy the OS anyway. In a perfect world where you could achieve 0% piracy, what percentage of sales increase would you see? A better way to ask that might be - What percentage of pirates would purchase if it was the only option? I think we all agree that it would be a very low number.

The greater benefit to Apple is the user experience that they can provide by treating everyone with an OS disk like a customer. This user experience is so different (from what we find anywhere else in our entire lives) that we are drawn to it like heroin addicts.

You pointed out the Family Pack upgrade. The only difference is the license. People buy it in LARGE numbers because they feel it is "the right thing to do." The 2 friends you described could do the same with a single upgrade disk, or even a bittorrent download. I'm not suggesting it. I'm also not suggesting "Apple doesn't care." I'm just saying that Apple isn't willing to treat the customers who pay them money as if they are "would be" criminals, for the sake of inconveniencing those who were never going to pay Apple money in the first place.

So now, whose strategy makes more sense? Apple's or microsoft's?

--Richard Bronosky
Former Apple Employee

Vista or Bust?

As a small OEM and repair shop, I am a bit perplexed at this move. We have seen, continue to see currently and expect to see significant resistance to Vista from business and home users.

We can offer no compelling reason for anyone to move to Vista and a price drop just isn't going to help.

What would help is for MS to extend sales of Windows XP Pro so we can continue to build computer that our customers want.

It really doesn't matter what MS does to or for Vista at this point as it is just NOT the right product for the majority of computers, regardless of the capability of the platform. Even a brand new computer with decent hardware is slower than an XP box built 1-2 years ago.

Price drop? I think it is a bit insulting.... drop price all you want... Vista is not a good product.

Now if Microsoft would offer

Now if Microsoft would offer a dual-boot system so you could upgrade to Leopard, that would probably sell like hotcakes. When my XP machine dies I will be switching to Mac.

There used to be a time when

There used to be a time when OS improvements meant a faster, more reliable and safer system using the same hardware. Nowadays a company like Microsoft adds bloat and forces you to upgrade your machines, for what? So that you can run the SAME applications.

I'm running XP because I can't afford to buy even the low-end Vista because I need new hardware, again!!

I'm sick of Microsoft. I've never used Apple products before but as someone on the outside looking in... it seems that this company at least tries to build on their previous OS instead of trying to replace it every couple of years.

I'm seriously looking toward an Apple migration these days. This company at least... seems to have a clue. Also considering Linux in the form of Ubuntu.

MAC os VS MS os

Well Never used the new OSx from mac but believe it to be the same they have been for years! Simple and easy to use! vs MicroSoft simply to most (who needs not do to much) and trouble for others looking for the 1.1 million softwate options and many many diffrent fardware config's! Games!! Well a ton load vs a single dump truck worth. As being simply this fits the macs into many places as where the software has been custom made to be user friendly and easey to use on heavy fronts (moive industry) As being So many software titles why dose a huge firm not own 5 thousand macs? Software plan and simple

now Xp vs Vista VS os X

Can't compare the mac vs MS os's but XP vs Vista COme on like 98 vs me LOL complain cuase they take so long to release crap! well look what they have to deal with a billion diffrent hardware sofware configs! Macs hah how long till they had to change up to intel chips cause there's weren't capible to hang with market

Thew options tell the storys plain and simply

Leopard OSX

I work in an environment that has every major operating system. My favorite is linux. Where I work the IT staff evaluated Vista and determined it would be too expensive and cause too many problems to roll out. Not only is the OS expensive but the performance of XP on the existing workstations is decent and the cost to upgrade hardware would be extreme. Several applications we use would not work on Vista.

At home, I just purchased our first Apple product. A MacBook. I'm very happy with it. We had an issue with the Dashboard and Widgets, but it was resolved with the latest upgrade.

I like the ability to open a terminal session and work in bash or unix.

When looking at the features and hardware and support our choice was Apple. We don't have the machine bogged down with a virus checker.

I'm not certain of the following. I believe Leopard OSX has native support for 64 bit processors which is a Vista Premium feature.

Besides, our MacBook can still run Windows side by side with Leopard.

OS X Family Pack License

I love OS X and agree with most parts of the article...

It is worth mentioning, however, that despite the article's suggestion, you cannot buy into a family-pack of OS X with a friend and split the licenses. The OS X Software License Agreement states that you can only use the family pack on computer located in the same household that are used by people who occupy that same household.

Vista is a nightmare - so is

Vista is a nightmare - so is OS X. Could they make it less configurable? Before the Mac-lovers flare at me, answer a simple question: can you get rid of the dock and the stupid bar on top and create your own custom panels wherever you want them, with what you want on them? The answer is no. OS X is great - if you love everything the way it is by default. Otherwise, forget it.

I agree, but...

I agree that being forced to do things "Steve's way" is frustrating. So much so that when my (would be) new employer asked if I want a PowerBook or a Lenovo, I asked... "PowerBook, how about a MacBook Pro?" They said that Intel Macs hadn't yet been approved. So, I told them to give me the Lenovo with Ubuntu on it. They said that also wasn't approved, but I refused to leave Yahoo! if they were going to make me use an microsoft products. (That's why I was leaving Yahoo!) After using Ubuntu for 8 months, I happily put the Apple Shackles back on my own ankle when the company ordered its first shipment of MacBook Pros. I still complain daily that I can't configure it to the level I do with my Linux servers, but I know that a desktop OS that doesn't get in to way of me doing my job is hard to deliver. The closest thing I've found is OS X. I love Linux until you try giving it a GUI!

I'm and engineer, a developer, and currently my title is MySQL DBA. I realize that I do not think like the average consumer. But, I still feel that I've got a pretty broad view. I'm not sure that Linux will ever meet the market demands for a desktop. It's death by options.

When the successor of xVmc can off-load decompression of 1080p video to the GPU, and I can switch between LCD and external projector without having to build drivers from git repositories... I will come back. But for most consumers, nVidia and ATI need to start giving full access to hardware acceleration. And the QT, GTK, KDE, GNOME user experience madness needs to end.