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John Brandon

Web 2.0 Watcher

What happens when a Web 2.0 site dies?

The Washington Post reported (found by way of Engadget) that Vongo, the all-you-can-view movie site run by Starz, has gone belly up.

I used Vongo a few times for various feature stories but never got hooked. (If you're wondering, journalists like me often test new services using a press account that expires after some period of time. For services like Rhapsody and Zune, I used them for the press trial and then decided to sign up and pay monthly. Why two music services? Why, one for my Creative Zen and one for my Zune, of course. And then there's my iPod, but we won't go into that redundancy here.)

Vongo

Starz is just moving all the content over to the Verizon service called Starz Play. The catch is that you have to be a Verizon customer. If you're not, the Vongo service will go dark on September 1 and any movies you have downloaded and paid for (via the $10 monthly fee) will no longer be available.

Update: Vongo pointed out to me that you do not have to be a Verizon customer to use Starz Play. You just need a credit card. I agree with them that this means it is not a great example of what happens when a Web 2.0 site goes dark -- Vongo customers can just sign up for Starz Play and the fee is a few bucks less per month. However, they do have to go through that sign-up, re-download any movies, etc. It is not painless -- I would prefer that they do what Yahoo Music does: they just let you switch over to Rhapsody. That said, it is a reminder that sites like Yahoo Music and Vongowill not exist forever. I still feel sorry for the guy who sits down with buttery popcorn in front of his PC in October and finds out that all of the first-gen Diehard movies he painstakingly downloaded won't play anymore.

Side note: I used Yahoo Music for about year, so the thought of re-downloading all of that music is anathema to me at this point. It's almost as painful as the word anathema itself. Further side note: I learned another new word today: arrears. It means Vongo charges per month with no cancellation fee. Another way of saying that is: you have only paid for movies for a month, so carrying them over to the next month is just a nice perk. I could go on like this for a while so I will stop now.

It raises an interesting question: what rights do you have when a Web 2.0 site pulls the plug? What about all of that data on Plaxo, or your schedule on Zoho, or the accounting for your company on QuickBooks Online? If you read the terms of service closely at most sites, you'll find that - in most cases - your data is protected in terms of privacy but not necessarily from loss or damage. There is no service level agreement, and no contract that says the company must retain your data if they close up shop. In fact, as it relates to data protection, there is really no guarantee whatsoever, and you are on your own for back-ups. Ironically, this is not that different from what happens when a desktop software company closes its doors: they have no guarantees that they will keep providing the software.

The most public example of this has to do with older versions of Windows, which Microsoft tends to support long after they really should. Still, it's inevitable that all the Windows XP users who are resisting a Vista upgrade will be forced to someday. But we know Microsoft is not going anywhere anytime soon. With software, the risk is directly tied to the size of the company. I would trust my photos to a company like Adobe before I hand them all over to PhotosRUs.com (a site which, for some reason, does not exist). Internet archive sites are not going to help here, since they store just the front-end HTML files, not any back-end data. Back-ups are a nice idea, but sort of contrary to the whole idea of using the cloud.

The real solution is for Web 2.0 sites to follow Google's lead and make a true offline mode. Granted, for Vongo users, this would not help - they have rented the movies and the rentals should expire. But for my contacts, and schedule, and e-mail, and everything else, I want an automated offline mode.

Update: Plaxo does offer an offline sync mode.

What People Are Saying

Plaxo not the right example to list

You suggest the solution is offline access, but you include Plaxo on your "scare list." We've always allowed offline access by virtue of sync with Outlook, the Mac address book, and Thunderbird.

Plaxo

Good point, updated the post.

Caveat Emptor

Well you have to carefully read the EULA of any software or services you purchase or subscribe to and understand the terms of the agreement. Some companies do the right thing like Microsoft did when MSN Music went dark a few months ago and kept the servers alive that allows for DRM to be renewed, some companies may do this others may not.

If a hardware company goes out of business and you are still under warranty, are you guaranteed the same level of service as if they were in business? Some reputable companies do and others do not.

It is like anything you purchase you have to know what you are getting from the get go. Personally I still believe in purchasing media physically, then again if you own a DVD you just own the media and not the rights of the content, unlike with physical music media where you own the rights to make copies of the music under Fair Use.

Long term support

I agree, but I think most people do not study the terms of service. My impression is that Web 2.0 sites go up and down all of the time without any fanfare. does anyone know of any higher profile new sites that died? What happened to the data?

This isn't the only one ...

People who paid for DRM protected files on Yahoo Launchcast already know. The service provider provides a refund (if applicable).

This brings me to a tangent related to the first. Microsoft could have sworn (they did, because they added this to WMP11) that Yahoo would have this service running for a long time to come. Yet ... open WMP11 today and you will find that it is STILL trying to connect to Yahoo to check the DRM on those files. The odd thing is, it connects to Yahoo even if you NEVER purchased music there.

The list goes on, and grows day to day. Is this the second .com bust? Not necessarily, but it sure does make privacy a hot topic again today, like it was yesterday, and the day before, and the day before ...

Cloud

We are inching ever closer to the cloud, so every small case is important. What is troubling I think is that a small company can pull stakes and run just because, whereas a big company might decide to "diversify" or "evaluate their portfolio" and turn out the lights suddenly. I suspect that will happen with Zune monthly service (which I like). Someone might wake up one morning and admit the iPod will forever kill them. Maybe it is *which big company you trust and their history of caring about users.

Yea! Less Cr*pware!

Good, just one more thing not to have to uninstall from someone PC!

Are you sure it's still private?

OK, so if a company goes bankrupt and sells your data to some other company on the way out ... or just leaves it sitting on machines that get auctioned off ... who are you going to sue? You should not assume that your privacy "rights" are going to be respected by a company that dissappears. Who will pay to protect it, make sure it gets erased 20 times, etc.?

Important data

And should all really important data never be house din the cloud at all? I mean, Plaxo -- take my contacts, please. Some of them are kind of annoying. But if Quickbooks Online left my profit and loss statement on an old Dell server somewhere, I'd be more upset.