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Wal-Mart: Microsoft should kill Vista Home Basic

You may think of Wal-Mart as a down-market PC seller, but as emails in the Vista "junk PC" case show, Wal-Mart was furious at Microsoft's Vista Capable scheme, and thought that Vista Home Basic never should have been developed, much less released. They're not alone. Other retailers, notably Office Depot, thought Vista Home Basic should have been killed. Here's all the dirt, including emails.

The recently unsealed Microsoft emails are part of the lawsuit against Microsoft for a marketing scheme in which people claim that Microsoft misled consumers into buying the Windows Vista Capable PCs, even though the PCs couldn't run the most important features of Vista.

Microsoft execs had a series of meetings with retailers to explain the ill-fated Vista Capable scheme, and the retailers were not amused. They felt that the scheme would confuse consumers, and leave consumers dissatisfied with their purchases. Retailers had previously been burned because Windows XP had two flavors (Home and Pro), and consumers had been confused.

Wal-Mart was particularly unhappy, both with the Vista Capable scheme, and more than that, with the fact that Microsoft was releasing Vista Home Basic, which is such a stripped-down version of the operating system that even some Microsoft officials don't consider it Vista.

On February, 2006, Microsoft exec Robin Leonard wrote this to other Microsoft officials about what Wal-Mart had to say:

Wal-Mart was very vocal regarding the Windows Vista Capable messaging. They are extremely disappointed in the fact that standards were lowered and feel like customer confusion will ensure...They also went so far as to say that they wished Windows Vista Home Basic was not even in the sku line up. The would totally support the higher ASP, but feel that competitors will be offering Windows Vista Home Basic machines and as such they need to support that for their opening price point.

Doug Degn (EVP-Electronics) spoke about how we could be creating the biggest nightmare by giving editors the opportunity to simply say don't buy a Windows Vista Capable machine because you can't trust the logo.

Wal-Mart wasn't alone in its disdain for Vista Home Basic --- the emails show that Microsoft execs and Office Depot weren't particularly happy with it, either. As I point out in another blog, in an August 10, 2005 email Microsoft Director Rajesh Srinivasan refers to Vista Home Basic as "Windows 2006," so Microsoft execs knew it wasn't really Vista.

Office Depot was also unhappy about the Vista Capable plan, and wished that Microsoft had never created Vista Home Basic. Here are excerpts from a February 1, 2006 email from Microsoft exec Troy Nelson about a meeting he had with Office Depot:

  • Home Basic -- very strong concerns over this
  • We created confusion with the Home vs Pro with XP launch. Channel was looking forward to the next major OS release to make it better. Concerned that we made it more confusing not less. They pointed out that Apple has 1 OS, not multiple.
  • Home Basic will not possess the major feature sets that MS is focusing on, such as Aero & Flip. Concerned that we advertise "Vista" with these features, but there will be cust dissatisfation & returns when they buy Home Basic & don't get those features.
  • They would have preferred that MS not have a Home Basic. They see this Vista variant as selling down. But since we are releasing it & they know their competitors will carry it, they will be forced to assort to maintain competitive offering.

As for the Vista Capable scheme, Microsoft faced a groundswell of opposition from retailers. Here's what Microsoft exec Steve Schiro had to say about it in a February 27, 2006 email about Wal-Mart's opposition to it:

This feedback has been consistent from retailers around the world. We should not let consumers or retailers have to decipher what windows Vista capable means.

There are a lot of questions still unanswered about all this, but here's betting that you won't see a Windows 7 Home Basic, not if Wal-Mart and Office Depot have anything to say about it.

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What People Are Saying

Vista

I think Bill Gates should be sentenced to having to use Vista the rest of his life.
Vista is such a piece of fecal matter.

Bill Gates: You should be ashamed.

I HAD to buy a new computer. I wanted Windows XP. You can't buy that. I HAD to buy Vista. You (all of Microsoft) should ALL be ashamed!

Vista's not all that bad.

I don't know what happened to your machines but my hp pavillion runs fine with 2gb of ram 1.66 core2 duo, runs fine! I actually prefer vista to xp.

HP repaired my Vista

I bought a dual-core recent HP laptop with 1 GB of RAM and Vista *home premium*. I spent the next 4 months complaining to HP because it ran like a dog and couldn't copy files properly. I didn't even want to use it. It finally blue-screened, killing itself completely, necessitating a restore from backup. Microsoft engineering at its finest.

HP refused to exchange Vista for XP, but finally said I could install Kubuntu Linux on it, which I did. They also said that any HP customer can install *Linux* without affecting hardware warranty coverage. Now it runs nice and fast and is a pleasure to use, so I guess this *Kubuntu* thing must be the latest service pack for these Vista laptops. Comes with thousands of great free programs, too. Thanks HP!

Why stop with home basic?

Microsoft can't give Vista away and it has been trying! It's not a joke. We [CSEE and CS] get vista for free at our university. Not the low end version either; we get the Business Edition. I'm a student in the CSEE department. All of us students installed vista as soon as it came out, and we have almost all uninstalled vista months ago without exception. Vista was unstable even with 4 gigs of RAM! Couldn’t play games on it either; It would suddenly run out of memory and either reboot or crash unceremoniously with a memory management error! It wasn’t just my desktop; it was the same exact thing on other desktops [all different makes and models and different games as well].

We all gave up on Vista a long time ago. We have all either reinstalled XP Pro SP2 or more likely we have installed Fedora Werewolf [version 8] and when we need to we run a little old Microsoft app; we do it in a virtual window on Fedora using VMware. It's pretty cool when it looks like you are running XP and the you hit CTRL+ALT+Right arrow, and the 3D Beryl desktop rotates to show it's really Fedora.

Someone said people don't get the government they want; they get the government they deserve. Just swap the word government with software and you will understand why Microsoft is a giant!

Here’s something else; thanks to Microsoft's Anti piracy protections in Vista; Microsoft knows when someone installs vista, and when they uninstall it [automatic updates and genuine advantage checks stop. They know that students are removing their free copies, businesses are going back to XP, or refusing to update. They know vista is a huge flop and they are desperate to make sales in anyway they can. Even by promoting vaporware that does not exist.

But, Karma is a bitch. Microsoft too is getting what it deserves. They farmed out all of their development to third and second world countries because it was cheaper. They didn’t do it to save you any money; they did it so they could pay the top 5% of management more money as they laid off the massive parts of the other 95% or cut their salaries either directly or by not giving them raises to keep in ratio with inflation. Did they really think there is no difference between a US graduate and someone who graduated from a university in India, Bangladesh, or Botswana? If the guy in India was any good he would be living here in the US or EU, or ...etc. You use second class engineers you get second class products! End of story.

Sincerely,

Current student and future Engineer who is worried about getting a job when he finally does graduate and does not want to move to Timbuktu to design hardware or software because all of the pretty Indian, Chinese, Russian, Vietnamese, French, German, Italian, and ...etc girls are right here in California already and they would be terribly lonely if I left. :D

P.S
I love this place :) and I hope my professor does not see the run-on sentence above and I hope Mr. Ballmer either stops smoking what he has been smoking or sends me some cause I could sure use it in a couple of weeks after my midterms 

You will do fine

Keep your eyes open, pay attention to everything. Don't be afraid to think for yourself and make decisions. Question authority. Be resilient, remain open, be inquisitive. Learn from everything. Don't put up with idiots.

With love,

Your father, who is facing a more dismal job market in Michigan. And sometimes feels invisible around anyone under 25.

P.S. Can you introduce me to a couple of the moms of your friends?

Vista HB was DOA the rest are on life support.

Microsoft didn't need to Kill Vista Home Basic. It was a wounded animal from the start, it never survived packaging and shipment. It will soon be buried next to ME, Bob and Clippy. I just can't wait for Windows seven(SP2 that is)!

Microsoft vs a Real Business

I'm shocked, SHOCKED, to find out that Microsoft might deal in shoddy business practices. Of course, since they don't have anything original, dependable, or noteworthy to sell, they have to do what our politicians do - lie, steal, and cheat. I dispise them. My policy to all with whom I work is: No Microsoft for you. Apple - yes. Unix/Linux - yes. Somehow, we're doing fine.

I'm I/T architect with 25+

I'm I/T architect with 25+ years in the business. Having worked with PC software since the DOS days, I have to say that Vista is the worst I've had to deal with. I currently run XP Pro on all my machines and find it a nice, stable OS. I recently helped a friend setup a home network on his DSL behind a router. Two machines, one running Vista, the other XP Pro. I eventually chose to configure the router and all else from the XP machine after becoming thoroughly 'exhausted' with the 'ALLOW?' dialogs. What a joke. I could have turned off the UAC but my friend and his family are clueless to computers and I figured it may save them someday. But for an I/T professional, it was disgraceful. Bringing up a command prompt to run IPCONFIG forced you not to just run the command prompt, but 'run it as administrator'... amazing. You couldn't give me Vista ULTIMATE - I would continue running XP Pro no doubt after seeing what hurdles Vista runs you through. And the required resources.... XP Pro running on an Athlon 1.2 ghz processor was twice as snappy as Vista Home running on a much faster processor with twice the memory. Sad!

MS should kill all versions of Vista

I've tried Vista and I don't think any version of Vista (basic to ultimate) should have been developed - they are all bad.

Time to put this old horse out of its misery and concentrate on making Windows 7 perform the way Vista should have. There are some very powerful 64 bit processors out there - make Windows 7 take advantage of them to run faster than XP on the same hardware not require them to help Windows 7 not seem as sluggish.

And PLEASE BALMER STOP trying to tell us that Vista is selling - no one is drinking that crap-aid.

I don't think Home Depot should appear in article

Didn't you entend to say Office Depot vs. Home Depot which appears in this article ?