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Lisa Hoover

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When it comes to social networking, we're all homeschoolers

I am professionally involved in social networking on a number of levels, from writing about it to consulting with companies on how to use it, and lately I've noticed a very interesting trend. Books, seminars, and even college classes on proper social networking are cropping up all over. Judging by the sheer volume of "how-to" information out there, it appears there is a large segment of the population that wants to become socially adept in this new virtual environment but doesn't know how.

Ironically, as a homeschooling mother of three boys scarcely a day goes by that I don't see a reference to how homeschooled children are at risk for becoming socially disadvantaged because they aren't in a formal school setting with their peers. Fair enough but, as parents of homeschoolers often point out, our kids have a whole buffet of social opportunities to choose from that teach them how to interact with others.

Homeschooled kids participate in organized sports, join 4H and Scout clubs, take art classes, and join in all kinds of other activities with kids. Many familes also volunteer in community service organizations and civic groups where they meet people from all walks of life and learn how to talk with everyone. Indeed, my own children are nonplussed by people who look, speak, or act differently, something I credit largely to the volunteer work they do in our community which exposes them to a wide range of people.

In other words, homeschooled children get plenty of "socialization" and typically feel very comfortable in all sorts of social settings. That, however, is not my point.

Ever since it became evident social networking isn't going away any time soon, businesses began looking for ways to use it to their advantage or, at the very least, accept its use in the workplace. Hand-in-hand with choosing which networking tools a company will employ is the need for people to understand how to use them in the first place, hence the proliferation of books and seminars on the topic.

Frankly, I think the desire to understand social networking and the etiquette behind it is terrific because no one wants to make a faux pas online any more than they do in real life. What I find fascinating, however, is that there's suddenly a sea of people who want to be taught how to be accepted socially.

I thought people learned how to socialize when they were in formal school settings? No? Evidently all those socialization skills people acquired back then left them ill-prepared to swim in a new social networking environment. I understand that online networking is a relatively new concept but it's also one people seem to have trouble adapting to. I guess using the educational system as the definitive method of "socializing" our children isn't all it's cracked up to be.

It is absolutely vital for children to be among their peers in order to learn the life skills they'll need to function as adults in the world. School, however, is not the only means of acquiring the social knowledge they need. After all, it hasn't helped the current crop of adults much, has it?

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A few comments on side-issues that you brought up.

IMHO I believe home schooled kids are at risk to some degree for "becoming socially disadvantaged because they aren't in a formal school setting with their peers." You reply that home schooled "kids have a whole buffet of social opportunities to choose from that teach them how to interact with others." True. But the formal setting of a classroom filled with students is missing, as is the dynamic that goes with it. You won't find that in a sports environment, an arts class, or 4H cloub. Find what? Students can discuss issues with their peers, and can learn that there are many equally valid differing viewpoints. But beyond that is the classroom dynamic--a pupil can listen or join in and present his/her opinion and the others can subconsciously learn how to discuss, argue, think (if the teacher is coordinating things). Students can learn not to be shy, to recognize how one argument may be weaker and another one stronger by interacting. The pupils will learn to confront a domineering speaker with nothing to say or help out a student with something to say but a bit awkward in presenting it. This can take place even in the early grades if a skilled teacher is guiding them. I think this is missing when parent(s) discuss subjects with their home schooled kids--it's not amongst peers. Parents will probably not be out of line, or display irrational lines of thinking--situations that may often occur in the classroom and from which students learn. Sports socialization, arts club socialization, 4H or Scout socialization are different I feel from classroom socialization.

To be consistent then, a different "socialization" exists for the online world. One shouldn't expect the educational setting (or classroom setting) to provide such learning. It was never intended to.

In fact, aren't you setting up a straw man in stating "the educational system as the definitive method of "socializing" our children isn't all it's cracked up to be"? Could this be some sort of rationalization for defending home schooling by knocking your own interpretation of the traditional educational setting? It is by no means "definitive;" it is one very good interactive method of inculcating peer to peer learning.

Disclaimer: there is no intent here to knock home schooling. Both home schooled and traditional path students seem to get into and manage alright in higher education. Whether and how well the former group adapts to the classroom dynamic in college is probably too difficult to assess.

What classroom socializing?

So you want your kids to learn all their social skills from other kids? Good grief!
Besides that, now that talking is prohibited in many classrooms, hallways, and in school buses how much can children socialize these days? Leaves recess, which is cut more and more leaving 15 minutes to gobble down some lunch. Unless children master the skill of eating and talking at the same time they won't ever be able to kick off a talk - unless they do that on their own time.
And that 'own time' is something homeschoolers tend to have more of. Since homeschoolers get much better teaching they don't have to spend so much time learning how to do well on standardized tests that determine how much money the school gets next year. Homeschoolers can take the time it needs to focus on social skills and really socialize with others, not escape into virtual reality to compensate the lack of socializing via social networks online.
The "classroom socializing" that you mention is long gone. Furthermore, homeschoolers tend to outdo public school students rather than just "manage alright" in higher education.
Before starting such a debate I recommend to get the facts straight. Uh, and before I forget, my children are homeschooled plainly for the reason that in our local schools half the students do not even graduate, yet the per student expense is the highest in the region. I wouldn't be so against public schools if there were quality schools around here. That depends on the location. Typically towns with the richer people tend to have better schools, or at least better students, who probably get more support from home.

Socialization: Formal classroom setting filled with students?

_Quoted_>>>IMHO I believe home schooled kids are at risk to some degree for "becoming socially disadvantaged because they aren't in a formal school setting with their peers." You reply that home schooled "kids have a whole buffet of social opportunities to choose from that teach them how to interact with others. "True. But the formal setting of a classroom filled with students is missing, as is the dynamic that goes with it.

==>Test that objection against the real world. The "trade secret" of university recruiters today is that home-schooled high-school grads are the crown jewels they compete for.

_Quoted_..classroom dynamic--a pupil can listen or join in and present his/her opinion and the others can subconsciously learn how to discuss, argue, think (if the teacher is coordinating things). Students can learn not to be shy, to recognize how one argument may be weaker and another one stronger by interacting. The pupils will learn to confront a domineering speaker with nothing to say or help out a student with something to say but a bit awkward in presenting it

==>Debate?? Other point of view??

Who's going home with all the awards in legal debate forums, including arguing from both points of view? The first college founded for home-schooled students, that even beat out the Brits on the Brits' own turf using British law, IIRC two years straight. At wikipedia, you can read about it and see the kind of mass-produced attitude about it, even reporting on independent thinkers:

http://www.phc.edu/PHCNews_2003_12_15.php

http://www.phc.edu/debate.php

Again, real world to the rescue of logic.

My kids were home-schooled early, and put into "government socialized indoctrination centers" midway at varying grade levels. The oldest did best. The teachers that got them the first year were all praise. No "socialization" lack here. And they proved better at independent thinking all around, except where they were beat down by Government Approved Thinking.

...One of my kids, the oldest, now busks Greenwich Village style by choice and does nothing BUT "socialize";

...the second is a musician and has a business doing gigs, renting equipment, mixing music in his studio;

...another is a network engineer for the largest Latin America web service..

...another is a Stanford U grad and now manages a purchasing group and NEGOTIATES contracts for a big-name clothing enterprise..stellar SAT's and graduated #7 high school..

...another, H.S. valedictorian, Stanford U grad, now working overseas with her mate..

..another one did the HS yearbook and got honors for graphics work, and was offered a scholarship to an elite school but became a missionary instead. She now works with the poor and organizes volunteer teens for presentations to hospitals and old-folks homes..

..another one in pre-Med..

..another graduated #3 in her class, now at UC Davis studying ancient history and ancient languages and education courses...

..the youngest, who got no home-schooling, is the slowest of the bunch..

Now watch some socialist --oops I mean socializer-- windbag come back and call this "anecdotal".

But out of the goverment socialization centers we get bullies, random beatings (me, and two of my kids), illiterates, drug dealers, gangs, STDs, bulging prison populations, insult competitions on comedy TV, and mindless zombies deluded into thinking they are smart and independent thinkers but can't even think enough to question the latest drivel passing for objective reporting on their Legacy Alphabet Soup Media! Like this "socialization" criticism of home-schooling!

And who can't help but repeat ivory-tower fantasy logic about "socialization" and home-schooling.

--Alan

And This Relates How to the IT World?

Sorry Lisa but get off your soap box. Your blog is flying under false colors. I thought it was going to be about social networking and how it relates to the work environment. Instead I found it nothing more than a mother's tirade about how sheโ€™s a better mom for homeschooling her children. Well good for you mom but as Rhett Butler said: โ€œFrankly my dear, I donโ€™t give a dam*.โ€ What a waste of my professional time lady!

The editor

I approved this post because Lisa is an expert at social media, both professionally and personally. These days, the tools we use don't necessarily respect that distinction. Are all of your Facebook friends on one side or the other of that divide?

As the new social tools, like instant messaging before them, move from the consumer to the enterprise world (@computerworld) some folks might benefit from Lisa's expertise.

Thanks for reading and commenting.

Take it up...

...with my editor, she approved the post. Last time I checked, this is a blog about social networking and evolving Web technology. Social networking and the etiquette associated with it is a hot topic in the business world today, but perhaps I should have tackled general Internet etiquette instead.

Thanks for reading!

socialization!

I'm the guy who "wrote the book" on the social maturity of home school kids back in 1992. google or bing thomas smedley socialization. More than 90% of the kids who were home schooled all the way want to raise their own kids the same way. We can aspire to see our children and grandchildren outperform us.

Excellent article!

I'm sure you intend more

I'm sure you intend more than you say, but based solely on what's posted, there could be a problem. What if 95% of all the kids raised in the beliefs of the KKK wanted to similarly raise their own offspring in the KKK philosophy? Does that then validate their anti-social upbringing? There must be some neutral (non value laden) criteria to evaluate educational methodologies that are more objective than mere J.D. Power type satisfaction surveys. [I did google as suggested and found only the "liberty" article which said nothing about any objective validated criteria.] Still, the long post above made a good point: as a parent/instructor do you deliberately teach your kids anything that's incorrect? Where is the learning by your mistakes and the mistakes of others found in "kids seated in neat rows of desks?"

Um, I have to fault you on

Um, I have to fault you on your teaching abilities (smiley face goes here)

Nonplussed means
"To put at a loss as to what to think, say, or do; bewilder."

Awwww, heck

So, what's the going rate for a copy editor these days and can you give one my phone number? :-)

Funny, as I was posting this I was thinking "I'd better triple spell check this so I don't make an idiot of myself." Looks like should have "dictionary checked," too. Thanks for the catch. :)