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Please don't reboot the Subaru

Like most modern cars, everything under the hood of my Subaru is controlled by a computer. But when something goes wrong with mine, rebooting the computer only makes matters worse — at least for a while.

When something gets out of whack in the engine compartment, the computer "throws a code" and the check engine light comes on. I take it to my mechanic, who attaches a gizmo to the computer, downloads the error code and hopefully fixes the car. Before I get it back, however, he resets the computer to clear the code. But that creates another problem.

The first error code occured in June. The car started, but ran roughly — and the check engine light came on. I was in Newport Rhode Island on a Sunday morning. It was 7 am. Somehow I managed to coax the thing home, where my mechanic diagnosed the problem as a misfire. He replaced the spark plugs and ignition coil, reset the computer — and the car began stalling as soon as I got off the parking lot. It stalled in the roundabout, at a stop sign and as I coasted back into the shop. But when the mechanic started it, it ran just fine.

No surprise there.

A few days later the light came on again. This time the code indicated a catalytic converter malfunction. The mechanic did the work, reset the code, I left, and the car immediately started stalling. After about 20 minutes the problem went away.

This went on a few more times until my local dealer finally explained what was happening.

When the computer is reset on a 2005 or later, manual transmission Subaru automobile, certain configuration settings are erased — including the air/fuel mixture ratio for the car. No one knows exactly why this happens. But when it does, the vehicle runs roughly until the computer "relearns" the proper settings from the air flow sensors — a process that can take a few minutes — or a few hours.

Unfortunately for me, I have a 2005 Subaru Forester with a manual transmission. According to the dealer this is a known problem that persists through the 2009 model year. They just forgot to tell me about it.

The $810 bill for the catalytic converter was covered by warranty, but the new plug wires and coil — a $550 repair — wasn't. But it's a good thing I replaced them, the dealer says.

"Misfiring can lead to premature catalyst failure." Then the computer would throw an error code. The mechanic would have to reset the computer. And I'd be back where I started.

What People Are Saying

Why does this happen only on

Why does this happen only on the manual transmission model? My '98 Legacy is missing, it's in the shop right now, the computer said it misfired on cylinders 3 and 4 (at separate times) and the car also has difficulty starting when it's very, very wet. So he'll replace the coil and we'll go from there.

Why does this happen only on

Why does this happen only on the manual transmission model? My '98 Legacy is missing, it's in the shop right now, the computer said it misfired on cylinders 3 and 4 (at separate times) and the car also has difficulty starting when it's very, very wet. So he'll replace the coil and we'll go from there.

Robert = Bob?

Why do people assume that everyone named Robert would like to be called Bob?

Gee Bob, you got burned big time!

$550 for plugs, plug wires and coil? You're kidding!

4 Iridium spark plugs--$7-10 each
High performance wires--$50-100 for a kit
Coil--$50-100

At the MOST, with performance gear, you're talking $250 to $300. Your mechanic charged you a MINIMUM of $250 for labor for what realistically is a hour to an hour and a half job?

Man, I want a job at that shop!

As an aside, I find it ironic that at a time when GM has gone by the wayside, thanks to the mainstream media telling us how wonderful foreign autos are, your Japanese vehicle needed almost $1400 in parts and labor for what constitutes what many "shade tree mechanics" would consider routine maintenance.

I'm NOT knocking your lack of repair skills (to each their own), I'm just amazed that the repair shop basically screwed you over.

That's what I thought too

I thought that sounded high as well. But I checked with two shops and got similar pricing. Perhaps I should have gone further...

When the shop resets your car's computer.

I find it incredible that any shop would not want the owner of a car not to have a pleasing experience when they get their car back from the shop.

If the shop knows that re-setting the computer will mean the car will run rough for the first thirty minutes or so, why not run the car for 30 minutes before returning the car to the owner. And oh, by the way, make sure that any new problems don't show up. I can't count the number of times, when repairs have been made to my car that the manager of the shop has told me that the technician has taken my car out for a road test to make sure everything is ok. Wonder what the story is with your shop.

Apologies were offered

When I called back, the service manager at the dealership apologized for not doing exactly what you suggested. He said that was standard procedure and the mechanic hadn't followed it.

My own mechanic, however, who specializes in Subaru repairs, didn't understand the root of the problem.

SOP

My standard operating procedure has been to reset any car's computer at least once every couple of years. As they age, things change; and the computers never seem to do a 100% job of understanding the changes.

Never experienced that much weirdness during the first few miles, though.

Nothing New

My '1991 Ford Taurus SHO does the same thing. If you clear the computer, you MUST let it idle for about 5 minutes with all accessories on (lights too) until the computer re-learns the A/F mixture and idle. This is nothing new, as the A/F mixture has a baseline that is usually too rich at first, until the computer learns the actual ratio required as seen by the O2 sensor. Both my Dodge (ODB-II) vehicles are the same.

Subaru Forester misfires

Dear Bob,

thanks for sharing about the issues with the Subarus.

I was thinking of replacing my Hyundai Sonata NF sedan ride with a Subaru Forester SUV(Y2008/9 edition).

Do this model have the same problem for the computer chip?. I never experience it with my Sonata NF.

cheers,
Chris-ethan.
Singapore